Re: [Tools-implementation] Rough draft of message to the community re Zulip and Matrix

[Russ Housley <[e-mail]>]

The zulip client email did come, but it took a long time.  The next screen has Glen's email address.  Shouldn't it have [e-mail] <mailto:[e-mail]>?

Russ


> On Sep 21, 2020, at 4:10 PM, Russ Housley <[e-mail]> wrote:
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> Robert:
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> Comments below.
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> Russ
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>> On Sep 21, 2020, at 3:20 PM, Robert Sparks <[e-mail]> wrote:
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>> All -
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>> First, note that Glen is offline this week, and I do not expect him to see any of this conversation until he returns. But please don't wait for him to refine this. I would like to have it in a form that we can send by early next week.
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>> Please point out (and offer text for) missing things that need to be addressed in this initial message.
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>> ====
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>> We are deploying trials of the matrix and zulip chat services to gain
>> operational experience and get community feedback about how well these services
>> meet the need for IETF related chat.
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> Is thee a sentence or two you can add about the things that we hope will be better than the current solution?
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> We expect the chat to support face-to-face IETF meetings, virtual meetings, interim meetings, and virtual hallway discussions.  We should say that all of these are dimensions to consider.
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>> 
>> The installs currently have almost no local configuration or customization.
>> Over the next few weeks, we will be exploring reconfiguring them to use
>> datatracker credentials for sign-in, and explore bridging between these systems,
>> Slack, and Jabber.
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>> The secretariat is operating each instance. We've chosen this path for these
>> trials over third party hosting to learn what would be needed if the community
>> felt self-hosting was important in the longer term.
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>> The services can be found at matrix-trial1.ietf.org and zulip-trial1.ietf.org.
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>> Any matrix client can be used with the trial matrix server. We are also hosting
>> an instance of the element web client at matrix-trial1.ietf.org.
> 
> ... there is also a web client available at matrix-trial1.ietf.org. 
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> It currently refuses to create an account with "common" names that are easy to guess.  This does not seem ideal for the IETF community.
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> This should tell people what convention we want to use for these accounts.
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>> Similarly any zulip client can be used with the trial zulip server, which has a
>> built in web interface.
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> It currently uses your email address, which is not bad for the IETF.  However, I never got the email when I tried to create an account.  Probably needs plumbing into the IETF mail system.
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> This should tell people that their email address will be used, and ask them ti use the email address known to the datatracker.
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>> Around December, we will assess our experiences and the feedback received to
>> inform what chat services we provide in the future and how we will operate
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> Where do we want them to provide feedback?
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>> them. In January, these trial instances will be taken down. We do not intend to
>> preserve or migrate any account configuration or chat history from the trial
>> instances as we move forward.
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>> This does add to the potentially confusing large number of places conversation
>> might take place. We hope to address that with some level of bridging, at least
>> with Jabber, but have been cautioned by the respective development communities
>> that bridging between Zulip and Matrix is unsatisfying since the conversation
>> models in the two applications are so different.
>> 
>> The chat services are intended to be explorational and informal. However,
>> please treat them as contexts where participation rules apply (See
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> ... IETF participation ...
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> Some would argue that NOTE WELL applies to contributes, not participation.  You may want to word smith to avoid that tussle.
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>> https://www.ietf.org/about/note-well/).
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>> We are not, at this time, planning to host jabber accounts. We may revisit that
>> as an option as we continue to gather more feedback.
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