RE: First_Name, Last_Name is no good
Eastlake III Donald-LDE008 <Donald.Eastlake@motorola.com> Fri, 19 March 2004 21:18 UTC
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From: Eastlake III Donald-LDE008 <Donald.Eastlake@motorola.com>
Subject: RE: First_Name, Last_Name is no good
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Peter, Thanks for this comment. The working group is also in receipt of a number of other comments from that IESG that need responses. See http://lists.elistx.com/archives/ietf-trade/200402/msg00001.html While I believe your criticism is correct, we need to give some consideration to backward compatibility with those systems that have in implemented ECML v1.1 (RFC 3106). (See also the IESG Note on the front page of the earlier RFC 2706.) The ECML standard is primarily an internal data naming/structure standard and the names it specifies are not necessarily ever seen by end users. Given this, I am wondering if it would be sufficient to document First_Name and Last_Name, which have essentially not explanation in the current draft, so as to explain how to handle other cases. (Everyone on the list is welcome to comment on this. This list has been too dead recently and more traffic would be welcome.) Thanks, Donald PS: One minor comment. The IETF is an international organization so its standards or informational documents are not "United States" standards or informational documents. =========================================================== Donald E. Eastlake III Donald.Eastlake@Motorola.com Motorola Laboratories 1-508-786-7554 (work) 111 Locke Drive 1-508-634-2066 (home) Marlboro, MA 01752 -----Original Message----- From: Peter, James J. [mailto:Jim.Peter@jhuapl.edu] Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2004 4:46 PM To: ietf-trade@lists.elistx.com Subject: First_Name, Last_Name is no good I suggest that this group lead the United States away from the "First_Name, Last_Name" identifier convention because it is culturally biased and dysfunctional. It does not accommodate the naming conventions of Hispanic families, for example, where five names in a particular order identify an individual. Plus in some other countries the surname is given first. "Given_Name, Sur_Name" should be used at the minimum. A world-wide multicultural standard is needed. Regards James J. Peter Johns Hopkins University Applied Physics Laboratory 11100 Johns Hopkins Road Laurel, MD 20723-6099 443-778-5958 from Baltimore, or 240-228-5958 from Washington DC Fax 443-778-6921, or 240-228-6921 Jim.Peter@jhuapl.edu www.jhuapl.edu
- RE: First_Name, Last_Name is no good Eastlake III Donald-LDE008
- First_Name, Last_Name is no good Peter, James J.