Re: [tram] Adam Roach's Discuss on draft-ietf-tram-stun-pmtud-10: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

Gonzalo Camarillo <gonzalo.camarillo@ericsson.com> Mon, 14 January 2019 14:05 UTC

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From: Gonzalo Camarillo <gonzalo.camarillo@ericsson.com>
To: Spencer Dawkins at IETF <spencerdawkins.ietf@gmail.com>, Simon Perreault <Simon.Perreault@logmein.com>
CC: Adam Roach <adam@nostrum.com>, IESG <iesg@ietf.org>, "tram-chairs@ietf.org" <tram-chairs@ietf.org>, "draft-ietf-tram-stun-pmtud@ietf.org" <draft-ietf-tram-stun-pmtud@ietf.org>, "Asveren, Tolga" <tasveren@rbbn.com>, "tram@ietf.org" <tram@ietf.org>
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What is the next step here?

Gonzalo

On 13-Dec-18 16:27, Spencer Dawkins at IETF wrote:
> Hi, Simon, 
> 
> On Thu, Dec 13, 2018 at 7:12 AM Simon Perreault
> <Simon.Perreault@logmein.com <mailto:Simon.Perreault@logmein.com>> wrote:
> 
>     - Pull the definition of PADDING into this document. Declare that
>     we've gathered sufficient experience with PADDING that it now
>     warrants being elevated to Standards Track. That is, it's been
>     proven to work.____
> 
>     __ __
> 
>     This is plausible. It solves the first-order problem. ____
> 
>     __ __
> 
>     I note that RFC 5780 defined a number of new attributes. Is pulling
>     PADDING forward the right thing to do, or are there others that
>     would also qualify (so, perhaps a status change for RFC 5780)? ____
> 
>     __ __
> 
>     I don’t think the others have been implemented much, so that’s why I
>     think only pulling PADDING makes sense. If I remember correctly, I
>     only implemented PADDING in Numb (I don’t have access to the source
>     code anymore so can’t be sure).____
> 
>     __ __
> 
>     Anyone else with an opinion?
> 
> 
> That's helpful information. 
> 
> We should wait for anyone else with information to weigh in, but if it's
> correct that the other experimental attributes haven't been implemented
> and deployed in a way that would provide guidance for standards-track
> use, I think defining PADDING in this document makes more sense to me
> than adding a downref to an experimental RFC that we wouldn't consider
> if the reference was using anything except PADDING.  
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Spencer
> 
>     ____
> 
>     __ __
> 
>     Simon____
>