Re: [tram] Adam Roach's Discuss on draft-ietf-tram-stun-pmtud-10: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)
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From: "Gonzalo Salgueiro (gsalguei)" <gsalguei@cisco.com>
To: Gonzalo Camarillo <Gonzalo.Camarillo@ericsson.com>
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Thread-Topic: [tram] Adam Roach's Discuss on draft-ietf-tram-stun-pmtud-10: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)
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Subject: Re: [tram] Adam Roach's Discuss on draft-ietf-tram-stun-pmtud-10: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)
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Hi Gonzalo - I apologize but this PMTUD draft has gotten little attention beyond outlining proposals for clearing some of the raised DISCUSSes. This one has taken a back seat as we are actively prioritizing completion of the STUN draft before some AD’s step down. I think we should have that one completed by Prague or very soon after and then we will work on this PMTUD draft. Cheers, Gonzalo > On Mar 22, 2019, at 3:52 AM, Gonzalo Camarillo <Gonzalo.Camarillo@ericsson.com> wrote: > > Hi Gonzalo S, > > could you please give me a status update on this? > > Thanks, > > Gonzalo > > On 19-Feb-19 20:13, Gonzalo Salgueiro (gsalguei) wrote: >> Hi Gonzalo - >> >> We have made a decision on the PADDING but are still working through some of the comments raised in DISCUSS. We hope to have this finished after finalizing STUN, which should be very close. >> >> Cheers, >> >> Gonzalo >> >>> On Feb 18, 2019, at 8:17 AM, Gonzalo Camarillo <Gonzalo.Camarillo@ericsson.com> wrote: >>> >>> Hi Gonzalo S, >>> >>> what is the current status of this? >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> Gonzalo >>> >>> On 18-Jan-19 20:12, Gonzalo Salgueiro (gsalguei) wrote: >>>> Thanks, Spencer. We will proceed with bringing the definition of >>>> PADDING into the current draft. >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> >>>> Gonzalo >>>> >>>>> On Jan 14, 2019, at 9:25 AM, Spencer Dawkins at IETF >>>>> <spencerdawkins.ietf@gmail.com <mailto:spencerdawkins.ietf@gmail.com>> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hi, Gonzalo, >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Jan 14, 2019 at 8:05 AM Gonzalo Camarillo >>>>> <gonzalo.camarillo@ericsson.com >>>>> <mailto:gonzalo.camarillo@ericsson.com>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> What is the next step here? >>>>> >>>>> Gonzalo >>>>> >>>>> On 13-Dec-18 16:27, Spencer Dawkins at IETF wrote: >>>>>> Hi, Simon, >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, Dec 13, 2018 at 7:12 AM Simon Perreault >>>>>> <Simon.Perreault@logmein.com >>>>> <mailto:Simon.Perreault@logmein.com> <mailto:Simon.Perreault@logmein.com >>>>> <mailto:Simon.Perreault@logmein.com>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> - Pull the definition of PADDING into this document. Declare >>>>> that >>>>>> we've gathered sufficient experience with PADDING that it now >>>>>> warrants being elevated to Standards Track. That is, it's been >>>>>> proven to work.____ >>>>>> >>>>>> __ __ >>>>>> >>>>>> This is plausible. It solves the first-order problem. ____ >>>>>> >>>>>> __ __ >>>>>> >>>>>> I note that RFC 5780 defined a number of new attributes. Is >>>>> pulling >>>>>> PADDING forward the right thing to do, or are there others that >>>>>> would also qualify (so, perhaps a status change for RFC >>>>> 5780)? ____ >>>>>> >>>>>> __ __ >>>>>> >>>>>> I don’t think the others have been implemented much, so >>>>> that’s why I >>>>>> think only pulling PADDING makes sense. If I remember >>>>> correctly, I >>>>>> only implemented PADDING in Numb (I don’t have access to the >>>>> source >>>>>> code anymore so can’t be sure).____ >>>>>> >>>>>> __ __ >>>>>> >>>>>> Anyone else with an opinion? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> That's helpful information. >>>>>> >>>>>> We should wait for anyone else with information to weigh in, but >>>>> if it's >>>>>> correct that the other experimental attributes haven't been >>>>> implemented >>>>>> and deployed in a way that would provide guidance for >>>>> standards-track >>>>>> use, I think defining PADDING in this document makes more sense >>>>> to me >>>>>> than adding a downref to an experimental RFC that we wouldn't >>>>> consider >>>>>> if the reference was using anything except PADDING. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> No one has objected in the past month (which included holidays, but I >>>>> would have asked this question with a week or two timeout, if the >>>>> holidays had not been coming up). >>>>> >>>>> I think bringing the definition of PADDING into the current draft is >>>>> the right thing to do. >>>>> >>>>> If TRAM people thought that the other experimental attributes in RFC >>>>> 5780 don't have enough implementation experience to justify moving >>>>> them past Experimental status, changing the status of RFC 5780 to >>>>> Historic might be appropriate at some point, but that's not related to >>>>> the conversation we're having now, and I haven't asked a question >>>>> about that, so I'll ignore that for now. >>>>> >>>>> Thanks for your help with this. >>>>> >>>>> Spencer >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>> >>>>>> Spencer >>>>>> >>>>>> ____ >>>>>> >>>>>> __ __ >>>>>> >>>>>> Simon____ >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>
- [tram] Adam Roach's Discuss on draft-ietf-tram-st… Adam Roach
- Re: [tram] Adam Roach's Discuss on draft-ietf-tra… Spencer Dawkins at IETF
- Re: [tram] Adam Roach's Discuss on draft-ietf-tra… Simon Perreault
- Re: [tram] Adam Roach's Discuss on draft-ietf-tra… Spencer Dawkins at IETF
- Re: [tram] Adam Roach's Discuss on draft-ietf-tra… Simon Perreault
- Re: [tram] Adam Roach's Discuss on draft-ietf-tra… Spencer Dawkins at IETF
- Re: [tram] Adam Roach's Discuss on draft-ietf-tra… Gonzalo Camarillo
- Re: [tram] Adam Roach's Discuss on draft-ietf-tra… Spencer Dawkins at IETF
- Re: [tram] Adam Roach's Discuss on draft-ietf-tra… Gonzalo Salgueiro (gsalguei)
- Re: [tram] Adam Roach's Discuss on draft-ietf-tra… Gonzalo Camarillo
- Re: [tram] Adam Roach's Discuss on draft-ietf-tra… Gonzalo Salgueiro (gsalguei)
- Re: [tram] Adam Roach's Discuss on draft-ietf-tra… Gonzalo Camarillo
- Re: [tram] Adam Roach's Discuss on draft-ietf-tra… Gonzalo Camarillo
- Re: [tram] Adam Roach's Discuss on draft-ietf-tra… Gonzalo Salgueiro (gsalguei)
- Re: [tram] Adam Roach's Discuss on draft-ietf-tra… Gonzalo Camarillo
- Re: [tram] Adam Roach's Discuss on draft-ietf-tra… Gonzalo Salgueiro (gsalguei)
- Re: [tram] Adam Roach's Discuss on draft-ietf-tra… Felipe Garrido (fegarrid)
- Re: [tram] Adam Roach's Discuss on draft-ietf-tra… Felipe Garrido (fegarrid)
- Re: [tram] Adam Roach's Discuss on draft-ietf-tra… Adam Roach