Re: [tram] Allow TURN to forward inbound connectivity checks without permission

Brandon Williams <brandon.williams@akamai.com> Wed, 13 June 2018 13:16 UTC

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To: Simon Perreault <sperreault@jive.com>, tram@ietf.org
Cc: Cullen Jennings <fluffy@cisco.com>, Eric Rescorla <ekr@rtfm.com>, draft-ietf-tram-turnbis@ietf.org
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From: Brandon Williams <brandon.williams@akamai.com>
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Subject: Re: [tram] Allow TURN to forward inbound connectivity checks without permission
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EKR and Cullen,

The turnbis draft was updated to allow permissionless inbound 
connectivity checks. It would be useful for you to review the relevant 
changes to verify that you think the use case(s) you had in mind will be 
covered by the update.

https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-tram-turnbis/

Thanks,
--Brandon

On 03/19/2018 06:50 AM, Simon Perreault wrote:
> Tramsters,
> 
> $subject is an very interesting idea from EKR presented today by Cullen 
> in DISPATCH. Could/should we do this in TURN-bis? This could make TURN 
> *much* more attractive for certain use cases that require fewer round 
> trips...
> 
> Simon
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