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Re: [Trans] Removing the Preventing Tracking Clients section

Linus Nordberg <linus@sunet.se> Tue, 24 April 2018 19:52 UTC

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From: Linus Nordberg <linus@sunet.se>
To: Andrew Ayer <agwa@andrewayer.name>
Cc: Rob Stradling <Rob@ComodoCA.com>, "trans@ietf.org" <trans@ietf.org>
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Subject: Re: [Trans] Removing the Preventing Tracking Clients section
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Andrew Ayer <agwa@andrewayer.name> wrote
Tue, 24 Apr 2018 09:43:10 -0700:

> On Fri, 20 Apr 2018 22:13:54 +0100
> Rob Stradling <Rob@ComodoCA.com> wrote:
>
>> EKR had some concerns about this section 
>> (https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-trans-rfc6962-bis-28#section-11.4).>   We (the authors) discussed it and concluded that this section
>> should probably be struck from 6962-bis.
>> 
>> PR here:
>> https://github.com/google/certificate-transparency-rfcs/pull/295> 
>> Anyone have any objections?
>
> Yes.  Developing a workable gossip solution will require experimentation
> to get it right.  If log artifacts (STHs and SCTs) can act as
> supercookies, it will limit the type of experimentation that can be done
> by TLS clients, as clients won't be able to store and transmit artifacts
> without potentially violating their users' privacy.

+1

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