Re: [Trans] Directory instead of .well-known for URL structure

Melinda Shore <melinda.shore@gmail.com> Mon, 24 June 2019 00:05 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Trans] Directory instead of .well-known for URL structure
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On 6/23/19 3:28 PM, Martin Thomson wrote:
> I agree with Jacob here. As I have expressed in the past, I believe
> that this is a better design than the well-known prefix.

> On Fri, Jun 21, 2019, at 08:33, Jacob Hoffman-Andrews wrote:
>> The latest draft adopts a /.well-known/ path for CT as a way to get
>>  around BCP 190 (URI Design and Ownership: 
>> https://tools.ietf.org/html/bcp190#section-3).
>> 
>> Personally I think BCP 190 makes it needlessly painful to specify 
>> HTTP-based APIs using techniques that are very common among 
>> practitioners. However, given that it is still considered best
>> practice for IETF documents, I propose that CT should use a
>> different workaround, one used very successfully by ACME: Directory
>> URLs.

I have a fairly profound dislike for BCP 190, to be honest,
and am in agreement with the proposal.

Melinda

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