Re: [Trans] Angle brackets in the PRIVATE option (Ticket #1)

Rob Stradling <rob.stradling@comodo.com> Tue, 01 April 2014 20:41 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Trans] Angle brackets in the PRIVATE option (Ticket #1)
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On 01/04/14 21:28, Gervase Markham wrote:
> On 01/04/14 21:26, Rob Stradling wrote:
>> Hi Gerv.  I don't think this is desirable.
>>
>> Only the domain owner needs to know what the unmasked subdomains are,
>> and they can do this by simply looking at the corresponding Certificate.
>
> Does it not help with your combinatorial explosion, because it's then
> much easier to match up a potential cert with its logged precert?
>
> Or am I mistaken?

A TLS client will see only the Certificate, and from that it needs to 
reconstruct the Precertificate.

Yes, the Precertificate is publicly logged, but this doesn't help a TLS 
client that is not allowed to perform blocking side-channel lookups 
during TLS handshakes.

So no, I'm afraid it wouldn't help with the combinatorial explosion. 
(So I'll stick with my original idea for solving that).

-- 
Rob Stradling
Senior Research & Development Scientist
COMODO - Creating Trust Online