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Re: [Trans] On the worthiness of DNSSEC and PKI (Re: DNSSEC also needs CT)

Nico Williams <nico@cryptonector.com> Fri, 09 May 2014 23:51 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Trans] On the worthiness of DNSSEC and PKI (Re: DNSSEC also needs CT)
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On Fri, May 9, 2014 at 6:27 PM, Tao Effect <contact@taoeffect.com> wrote:
> Thank you Nico for at least noting it. ;-)

That's all I'll do for now.  I don't have time to engage your position
at this time.  Surely others already have anyways.

> This list is about making CT happen, and here I come saying that CT is a

Right.

> horrible and insecure protocol.

Maybe.

> Such a civil reply is almost unexpected. ^_^

By "noted" I meant to say that yes, I took note of your position but I
don't want to discuss that topic in the context of "DNSSEC needs CT"
-- the two matters are separable.  To discuss your response in the
same thread would just create noise.  At any rate, I don't have time
to address it separately anyways.  Feel free to educate us though.

Nico
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