[Trans] Precertificate format

Melinda Shore <melinda.shore@gmail.com> Mon, 08 September 2014 18:50 UTC

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Subject: [Trans] Precertificate format
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It seems as if we've been talking about precertificate format for
quite some time, without coming to resolution.  Let's try to find
agreement on how to handle it and close issue 26.

The ticket, with description, is here:
http://trac.tools.ietf.org/wg/trans/trac/ticket/26

The fundamental problem is that because precertificates are currently
encoded as X.509 structures we have the potential for two certificates
to exist with the same issuer and same serial number.  Because the
precertificate is not usable as a TLS certificate in practice, this
may not be an issue.  However, it's a clear violation of section 4.1.2.2
in 5280 (and to be honest I'm a little fuzzy on its implications for
CRL processing).

So, are you all comfortable with letting the X.509 representation
stand, or do you have an alternative proposal?

Thanks,

Melinda