Re: [Trans] Call for adoption: draft-strad-trans-redaction-00

Ben Laurie <benl@google.com> Fri, 16 September 2016 11:18 UTC

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From: Ben Laurie <benl@google.com>
Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 12:18:10 +0100
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Subject: Re: [Trans] Call for adoption: draft-strad-trans-redaction-00
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On 15 September 2016 at 20:55, Rob Stradling <rob.stradling@comodo.com> wrote:
> -0 for adoption.
>
> I'm ambivalent about seeing redaction supported in CT.  I've worked on
> redaction in the past only because I wanted to see CT succeed and
> redaction seemed like a necessary prerequisite (to having browsers
> require CT for all TLS certs).
>
> Given that Chrome now requires CT - with redaction not permitted - for
> all Symantec TLS certs, ISTM that redaction is not a necessary
> prerequisite after all.  Therefore, my interest has waned.
>
> If the WG adopts, we *really* needs folks who have a strong interest in
> seeing redaction supported in CT to drive further work on this draft.

This is a fair point, and my position is that _if_ there is anyone who
will actually use redaction (i.e. clients that will support it, we
already know some CAs would like to be less transparent), then it
should be a WG doc, but I am equally OK with it being entirely
dropped, since it is not really an improvement to the ecosystem, in my
view.

>
> On 09/09/16 21:24, Melinda Shore wrote:
>> Hi, all:
>>
>> As you may have noticed, text related to name redaction
>> has been excised from 6962-bis.  Because there's interest
>> in support for redaction that text has been spun off into
>> a separate document (draft-strad-trans-redaction-00,
>> "Certificate Transparency: Domain Label Redaction"), and
>> this is a call for adoption of that draft as a working group
>> deliverable, for publication as (tentatively) an experimental
>> RFC.  If you've read the document, please let us know whether
>> or not you feel it's suitable for adoption, and if it's
>> a topic on which you've got particular interest, please
>> be prepared to contribute text :-).
>>
>> The call for adoption closes in two weeks, at 23:59 UTC on
>> 23 September 2016.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Melinda & Paul
>
> --
> Rob Stradling
> Senior Research & Development Scientist
> COMODO - Creating Trust Online
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