Re: [trill] Fwd: Mail regarding draft-ietf-trill-over-ip
Xuxiaohu <xuxiaohu@huawei.com> Thu, 07 May 2015 01:10 UTC
Return-Path: <xuxiaohu@huawei.com>
X-Original-To: trill@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: trill@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F3491B300C; Wed, 6 May 2015 18:10:32 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -4.211
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.211 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UHUXuGqp8j2C; Wed, 6 May 2015 18:10:30 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from lhrrgout.huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [194.213.3.17]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 95F551B3008; Wed, 6 May 2015 18:10:28 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from 172.18.7.190 (EHLO lhreml406-hub.china.huawei.com) ([172.18.7.190]) by lhrrg02-dlp.huawei.com (MOS 4.3.7-GA FastPath queued) with ESMTP id BSF53097; Thu, 07 May 2015 01:10:26 +0000 (GMT)
Received: from nkgeml407-hub.china.huawei.com (10.98.56.38) by lhreml406-hub.china.huawei.com (10.201.5.243) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.158.1; Thu, 7 May 2015 02:10:25 +0100
Received: from NKGEML512-MBS.china.huawei.com ([169.254.8.209]) by nkgeml407-hub.china.huawei.com ([10.98.56.38]) with mapi id 14.03.0158.001; Thu, 7 May 2015 09:10:22 +0800
From: Xuxiaohu <xuxiaohu@huawei.com>
To: "Templin, Fred L" <Fred.L.Templin@boeing.com>, Joe Touch <touch@isi.edu>, Tom Herbert <tom@herbertland.com>
Thread-Topic: [trill] Fwd: Mail regarding draft-ietf-trill-over-ip
Thread-Index: AQHQhDAYoLZIFwke90qEGncpXxc1v51nAPgAgAQl8XCAAFTXgIABIiUAgABaUYCAABwmAIAAAU+AgAAUpQCAAAMpgIAABfSAgAAF9wCAAAGigIAAC4GAgAAB94CAAPvFMIAAQgeAgAE2MzA=
Date: Thu, 07 May 2015 01:10:22 +0000
Message-ID: <1FEE3F8F5CCDE64C9A8E8F4AD27C19EE0832AD90@NKGEML512-MBS.china.huawei.com>
References: <4552F0907735844E9204A62BBDD325E76ABADC85@nkgeml512-mbx.china.huawei.com> <CAF4+nEHSGYa+1DHzwee+RNgkXfZra_Pa9706vqpTGJV71SmDaw@mail.gmail.com> <CAF4+nEFcUL2ieQKCm98_0XxfrrAR0M11irVFfOfqa=92OM1V=A@mail.gmail.com> <5543D870.6080108@isi.edu> <1FEE3F8F5CCDE64C9A8E8F4AD27C19EE0832A468@NKGEML512-MBS.china.huawei.com> <55479A6D.2040403@isi.edu> <1FEE3F8F5CCDE64C9A8E8F4AD27C19EE0832A7B7@NKGEML512-MBS.china.huawei.com> <2134F8430051B64F815C691A62D9831832E5A834@XCH-BLV-504.nw.nos.boeing.com> <5548F132.7050704@isi.edu> <2134F8430051B64F815C691A62D9831832E5A90F@XCH-BLV-504.nw.nos.boeing.com> <5549039C.2020709@isi.edu> <2134F8430051B64F815C691A62D9831832E5ABBE@XCH-BLV-504.nw.nos.boeing.com> <55490B41.2000207@isi.edu> <2134F8430051B64F815C691A62D9831832E5AC5F@XCH-BLV-504.nw.nos.boeing.com> <CALx6S35nHEMvaSNis_uPQ6t4rm2NSzFN2Jzoo8WaXj04RdH3NQ@mail.gmail.com> <55491B47.4060400@isi.edu> <55491CED.5070505@isi.edu> <1FEE3F8F5CCDE64C9A8E8F4AD27C19EE0832ABC2@NKGEML512-MBS.china.huawei.com> <2134F8430051B64F815C691A62D9831832E5B87C@XCH-BLV-504.nw.nos.boeing.com>
In-Reply-To: <2134F8430051B64F815C691A62D9831832E5B87C@XCH-BLV-504.nw.nos.boeing.com>
Accept-Language: zh-CN, en-US
Content-Language: zh-CN
X-MS-Has-Attach:
X-MS-TNEF-Correlator:
x-originating-ip: [10.111.99.55]
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64
MIME-Version: 1.0
X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected
Archived-At: <http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/trill/8AxDdKbRJW1knPgpMBJCNfrfe5w>
Cc: Donald Eastlake <d3e3e3@gmail.com>, "nvo3@ietf.org" <nvo3@ietf.org>, "int-area@ietf.org" <int-area@ietf.org>, "sfc@ietf.org" <sfc@ietf.org>, "trill@ietf.org" <trill@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [trill] Fwd: Mail regarding draft-ietf-trill-over-ip
X-BeenThere: trill@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15
Precedence: list
List-Id: "Developing a hybrid router/bridge." <trill.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/trill>, <mailto:trill-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/trill/>
List-Post: <mailto:trill@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:trill-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/trill>, <mailto:trill-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 May 2015 01:10:32 -0000
> -----Original Message----- > From: Templin, Fred L [mailto:Fred.L.Templin@boeing.com] > Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2015 10:39 PM > To: Xuxiaohu; Joe Touch; Tom Herbert > Cc: Donald Eastlake; trill@ietf.org; nvo3@ietf.org; int-area@ietf.org; > sfc@ietf.org > Subject: RE: [trill] Fwd: Mail regarding draft-ietf-trill-over-ip > > HI, > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Xuxiaohu [mailto:xuxiaohu@huawei.com] > > Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2015 7:47 PM > > To: Joe Touch; Tom Herbert; Templin, Fred L > > Cc: Donald Eastlake; trill@ietf.org; nvo3@ietf.org; int-area@ietf.org; > > sfc@ietf.org > > Subject: RE: [trill] Fwd: Mail regarding draft-ietf-trill-over-ip > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Joe Touch [mailto:touch@isi.edu] > > > Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2015 3:42 AM > > > To: Tom Herbert; Templin, Fred L > > > Cc: Xuxiaohu; Donald Eastlake; trill@ietf.org; nvo3@ietf.org; > > > int-area@ietf.org; sfc@ietf.org > > > Subject: Re: [trill] Fwd: Mail regarding draft-ietf-trill-over-ip > > > > > > > > > > > > On 5/5/2015 12:34 PM, Joe Touch wrote: > > > >> Or just define a simple version translation as part of encapsulation. > > > >> > So for IPv8: > > > >> > > > > >> > 0x1000->0x0101 on encapsulation > > > >> > 0x0101->0x1000 on decapsualtion > > > > And what happens to 0x0101 WHEN it shows up? > > > > > > > > You need more patterns than you have because IP is allowed to use > > > > any of them. > > > > > > FWIW, you're essentially arguing for bit-stuffing, i.e., if a > > > pattern you think will be common shows up, don't stuff, and if something > else shows up, then do. > > > > > > That works only if you do true stuffing, e.g.,: > > > > > > 0x01** = uncompressed > > > (might as well add 0x11** and 0x10** to that) > > > 0x00** = compressed > > > > > > But then if 0x0000, 0x0001, 0x0010 or 0x0011 show up, you need to > > > decide how to represent them - they CANNOT be uncompressed without > > > at least two more bits somewhere else that indicates they're uncompressed > and their value. > > > > > > So now your GUE methods are very sensitive to IP version numbers, > > > which IMO defeats the "G" in the name. Never mind how this > > > complicates hardware when > > > > Agree. As I had mentioned to Tom in private, I do believe the > > additional capability of GUE (e.g., fragmentation) would be much > > useful in some network environments. However, since GUE is intended to > > be a generic UDP encapsulation approach, we'd better design it as > > generic and future-proof as possible from the beginning, specifically speaking, > without being deeply influenced by a particular GUE payload type. If both > foo-in-GUE (foo could be NSH, TRILL...) and foo-in-UDP (i.e., a compact version > of foo-in-GUE) are needed someday, could you still achieve the same effect as > that for IP-in-UDP (as a compact IP-in-GUE) and IP-in-GUE? > > I don't get why we are still talking about this. We have already shown how > IP-in-UDP can be properly accommodated by GUE with header compression. Show us how TRILL-in-UDP and NSH-in-UDP can be properly accommodated by GUE with header compression as well. Best regards, Xiaohu > Thanks - Fred > fred.l.templin@boeing.com > > > Best regards, > > Xiaohu > > > > > (not if) other IP versions are used (for whatever reason). > > > > > > Joe > > > > > >
- [trill] Fwd: Mail regarding draft-ietf-trill-over… Donald Eastlake
- Re: [trill] Fwd: Mail regarding draft-ietf-trill-… Joe Touch
- Re: [trill] Fwd: Mail regarding draft-ietf-trill-… Donald Eastlake
- Re: [trill] Fwd: Mail regarding draft-ietf-trill-… Donald Eastlake
- Re: [trill] Fwd: Mail regarding draft-ietf-trill-… Xuxiaohu
- Re: [trill] Fwd: Mail regarding draft-ietf-trill-… Tom Herbert
- Re: [trill] Fwd: Mail regarding draft-ietf-trill-… Joe Touch
- Re: [trill] Fwd: Mail regarding draft-ietf-trill-… Joe Touch
- Re: [trill] Fwd: Mail regarding draft-ietf-trill-… Xuxiaohu
- Re: [trill] Fwd: Mail regarding draft-ietf-trill-… Templin, Fred L
- Re: [trill] Fwd: Mail regarding draft-ietf-trill-… Joe Touch
- Re: [trill] Fwd: Mail regarding draft-ietf-trill-… Joe Touch
- Re: [trill] Fwd: Mail regarding draft-ietf-trill-… Templin, Fred L
- Re: [trill] Fwd: Mail regarding draft-ietf-trill-… Joe Touch
- Re: [trill] [sfc] Fwd: Mail regarding draft-ietf-… Joe Touch
- Re: [trill] Fwd: Mail regarding draft-ietf-trill-… Templin, Fred L
- Re: [trill] [nvo3] Fwd: Mail regarding draft-ietf… Tom Herbert
- Re: [trill] Fwd: Mail regarding draft-ietf-trill-… Joe Touch
- Re: [trill] Fwd: Mail regarding draft-ietf-trill-… Tom Herbert
- Re: [trill] Fwd: Mail regarding draft-ietf-trill-… Templin, Fred L
- Re: [trill] Fwd: Mail regarding draft-ietf-trill-… Tom Herbert
- Re: [trill] Fwd: Mail regarding draft-ietf-trill-… Joe Touch
- Re: [trill] Fwd: Mail regarding draft-ietf-trill-… Joe Touch
- Re: [trill] Fwd: Mail regarding draft-ietf-trill-… Joe Touch
- Re: [trill] Fwd: Mail regarding draft-ietf-trill-… Joe Touch
- Re: [trill] Fwd: Mail regarding draft-ietf-trill-… Templin, Fred L
- Re: [trill] Fwd: Mail regarding draft-ietf-trill-… Templin, Fred L
- Re: [trill] Fwd: Mail regarding draft-ietf-trill-… Joe Touch
- Re: [trill] [sfc] Fwd: Mail regarding draft-ietf-… Joe Touch
- Re: [trill] [sfc] Fwd: Mail regarding draft-ietf-… Templin, Fred L
- Re: [trill] [sfc] Fwd: Mail regarding draft-ietf-… Joe Touch
- Re: [trill] [sfc] Fwd: Mail regarding draft-ietf-… Templin, Fred L
- Re: [trill] [sfc] Fwd: Mail regarding draft-ietf-… Joe Touch
- Re: [trill] [sfc] Fwd: Mail regarding draft-ietf-… Templin, Fred L
- Re: [trill] [sfc] Fwd: Mail regarding draft-ietf-… Joe Touch
- Re: [trill] Fwd: Mail regarding draft-ietf-trill-… Xuxiaohu
- Re: [trill] Fwd: Mail regarding draft-ietf-trill-… Xuxiaohu
- Re: [trill] [sfc] Fwd: Mail regarding draft-ietf-… Templin, Fred L
- Re: [trill] Fwd: Mail regarding draft-ietf-trill-… Templin, Fred L
- Re: [trill] [sfc] Fwd: Mail regarding draft-ietf-… Joe Touch
- Re: [trill] [sfc] Fwd: Mail regarding draft-ietf-… Templin, Fred L
- Re: [trill] Fwd: Mail regarding draft-ietf-trill-… Xuxiaohu