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Re: [trill] TRILL deployment

Donald Eastlake <d3e3e3@gmail.com> Fri, 27 May 2016 01:13 UTC

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From: Donald Eastlake <d3e3e3@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 26 May 2016 21:12:51 -0400
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Subject: Re: [trill] TRILL deployment
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On Thu, May 26, 2016 at 3:50 AM, Jon Hudson <jon.hudson@gmail.com> wrote:
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> Main issue that I know from customers is the lack of consistent tools to deep dive debug it.

It seems to me that this is a lack of user tools, not any inherent
problem with TRILL. TRILL has:
TRILL OAM (continuity fault management): RFCs 6905, 7174, 7455, 7784
MIBs: RFCs 6850, 7784
Supports BFD: RFC 7175
Has performance monitoring specified: RFC 7456

In addition, if a management station peers as an RBridge, it would
have direct access to the link state data base.

So I really don't see why there should be a problem with implementing
good TRILL debugging tools.

Thanks,
Donald
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> On May 26, 2016, at 12:01 AM, devon ietf <devon.ietf@gmail.com> wrote:
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> why is trill not so widely deployed. It's been around for several years and xSTP protocols
> are really bad, then too i don't see customers adopting TRILL as widely. what's wrong ?
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