[trill] TRILL OAM Requirements: available paths
Erik Nordmark <nordmark@acm.org> Fri, 27 April 2012 16:53 UTC
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Subject: [trill] TRILL OAM Requirements: available paths
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Two requirements use the wording "all available paths." and "all available ECMP paths.", respectively and I'm not sure I know what that means. Take the following example picture: R1 / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ RB11 RB12 / \ / \ / \ / \ RB111 RB112 RB121 RB122 \ \ / / \ \ / / \ \/ / ------R2------ We can see that there are 4 paths with 3 hops to get from R1 to R2, with two layers of ECMP decisions. But how many available paths are there? Given that the RBridges make independent ECMP decisions, and how they do that is a local matter, it could be the case that for any packet, if R1 picks the left link, then R11 would also pick the left link; if R1 picks the right link, then R12 also picks the right link. Thus there would be no packet (data or OAM) that would cause packets between R1 and R2 to pass via RB112 or RB121. Even if we ignore that as unlikely, there is still the fact that R1 can't easily tell how many (shortest) paths there might be between it and R2. With single-level TRILL the LSDB could be used to tell, but if we ever go to multi-level that wouldn't be the case any more. And even if R1 knows that there are 4 potential paths, it can't format a data packet (or format the flow entropy in an OAM packet) in such a way that particular paths get chosen by downstream ECMP decisions. Thus for any notion of "all available paths" that make sense to me, we'd need an OAM approach that can explore the topology one hop at a time and at each hop explore all the possible ECMP choices. Using the entropy doesn't help with this (but the entropy is critical for following the path taken by a particular flow of data packets). Hence it would be good to clarify what the assumptions are behind this notion of all available paths. Thanks, Erik
- [trill] TRILL OAM Requirements: available paths Erik Nordmark
- Re: [trill] TRILL OAM Requirements: available pat… Tissa Senevirathne (tsenevir)
- Re: [trill] TRILL OAM Requirements: available pat… Santosh Rajagopalan
- Re: [trill] TRILL OAM Requirements: available pat… Erik Nordmark
- Re: [trill] TRILL OAM Requirements: available pat… Tissa Senevirathne (tsenevir)
- Re: [trill] TRILL OAM Requirements: available pat… Sam Aldrin
- Re: [trill] TRILL OAM Requirements: available pat… Erik Nordmark
- Re: [trill] TRILL OAM Requirements: available pat… Tissa Senevirathne (tsenevir)
- Re: [trill] TRILL OAM Requirements: available pat… Sam Aldrin
- Re: [trill] TRILL OAM Requirements: available pat… Erik Nordmark
- Re: [trill] TRILL OAM Requirements: available pat… Sam Aldrin
- Re: [trill] TRILL OAM Requirements: available pat… Sam Aldrin
- Re: [trill] TRILL OAM Requirements: available pat… Donald Eastlake
- Re: [trill] TRILL OAM Requirements: available pat… Tissa Senevirathne (tsenevir)
- Re: [trill] TRILL OAM Requirements: available pat… David M Bond
- Re: [trill] TRILL OAM Requirements: available pat… James Carlson
- Re: [trill] TRILL OAM Requirements: available pat… Puneet Agarwal
- Re: [trill] TRILL OAM Requirements: available pat… Santosh Rajagopalan
- Re: [trill] TRILL OAM Requirements: available pat… Tissa Senevirathne (tsenevir)
- Re: [trill] TRILL OAM Requirements: available pat… Santosh Rajagopalan
- Re: [trill] TRILL OAM Requirements: available pat… Tissa Senevirathne (tsenevir)
- Re: [trill] TRILL OAM Requirements: available pat… Santosh Rajagopalan
- Re: [trill] TRILL OAM Requirements: available pat… Tissa Senevirathne (tsenevir)
- Re: [trill] TRILL OAM Requirements: available pat… Donald Eastlake