Re: [trill] Eric Rescorla's No Objection on draft-ietf-trill-multilevel-unique-nickname-06: (with COMMENT)

Donald Eastlake <d3e3e3@gmail.com> Thu, 15 March 2018 01:23 UTC

Return-Path: <d3e3e3@gmail.com>
X-Original-To: trill@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: trill@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F37ED12D7F5; Wed, 14 Mar 2018 18:23:54 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -1.749
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.749 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=0.25, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no
Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wX27jzCib5Fm; Wed, 14 Mar 2018 18:23:53 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from mail-io0-x230.google.com (mail-io0-x230.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c06::230]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C8D65126DFB; Wed, 14 Mar 2018 18:23:53 -0700 (PDT)
Received: by mail-io0-x230.google.com with SMTP id u84so6604853iod.9; Wed, 14 Mar 2018 18:23:53 -0700 (PDT)
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=j1cllA4nVwG4jp8tS1qy1lZ7EKPobzNKZpFaT0EzaTk=; b=uHfSrlcLBkm/NjQwz80LnOPEH8oHoceX+K3Yvhi/t9BpmHHelS8wUhdrcGwbYc2+/a /Rn6D48yI1qtZXU53JOsOhgRLMR5KDsTavCVTy8h2q+UQFuFaqNzBfdr6K7wp58xKfxC xv2EqtC7ySbu92IxJ9Xhz3Pu8dypWmRPMReNDOf4Lyxp5cIoa0NLMQK/K4jEctIjnslH rbielLm0wqPgDWnBmSlUUml4Tzs7GFX/VE62cJWsG5coNK3BB9mZhMQyFWthCGi38Z1v htTtWNaqGAwdFsW4Pe6va2kZzLcjk70ECYSGp/Z+0x52t9hk3HdpdXSvutNEsrs+yyaG y8fQ==
X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=j1cllA4nVwG4jp8tS1qy1lZ7EKPobzNKZpFaT0EzaTk=; b=fJ71W04w3rACZI2GRzOt3LdcgZZyaDZ2JOD2BVHT4awmymPrhv8HXU9VCC+esvjmeK eKumrZ+Kiuh2qQZyG4CnQT7df2AnOW/mmfGEvt0GOWFOCayPzSwxFmztMVSm+lsAdP+F JeMS26mGi6Xmq3mYD+yETWe3eVgNPrqdX9oCONnAs1lMd/rVFcSs1v+EmYjjpQhOjKaH dnmgFSb3opGczQ2odsVlhxFw8L6vFTjbpkFy9TT4wSvcp5HAhRVFaCbllqc0L5dFN8c2 LA11ZYJLCxweHfks/+pEzyhIVnrFsxNnlzqkTuQYPUAJHWvvtmT94feEpprwC73+VUci zkDA==
X-Gm-Message-State: AElRT7HSMLs6eZDH8uwiIfxH8ie2Ggx3daqzPIXcqW59SQ3buP9kTMAs EdKv1JwEtnNmS1VhZBoLoblmYu4VCVSfI9lUBGk=
X-Google-Smtp-Source: AG47ELtP8l+CgQ2LFPHnzDuyqJh8DOaSE2sSGg1P+eqRXIMsrIY6RoQOtkTkOzdvHVhFZ6Be5isv+e1f5Cqg0OJB5Ik=
X-Received: by 10.107.3.71 with SMTP id 68mr7543006iod.66.1521077033003; Wed, 14 Mar 2018 18:23:53 -0700 (PDT)
MIME-Version: 1.0
Received: by 10.107.58.193 with HTTP; Wed, 14 Mar 2018 18:23:37 -0700 (PDT)
In-Reply-To: <CAF4+nEF1KCUDoQ1yuZpdTkA8zMQW6iKgH_K5sF2FwcY_SM74mw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <152051924756.14030.3477983788221569043.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <CAF4+nEF1KCUDoQ1yuZpdTkA8zMQW6iKgH_K5sF2FwcY_SM74mw@mail.gmail.com>
From: Donald Eastlake <d3e3e3@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2018 21:23:37 -0400
Message-ID: <CAF4+nEEBT6z_NcH3o4oBRvtEg7RrbnVKffjQmociF=UUd0CvUA@mail.gmail.com>
To: Eric Rescorla <ekr@rtfm.com>
Cc: The IESG <iesg@ietf.org>, draft-ietf-trill-multilevel-unique-nickname@ietf.org, Susan Hares <shares@ndzh.com>, trill-chairs@ietf.org, trill IETF mailing list <trill@ietf.org>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
Archived-At: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/trill/xur3IqXuw6gIFWFvW0MJ47UmpfM>
Subject: Re: [trill] Eric Rescorla's No Objection on draft-ietf-trill-multilevel-unique-nickname-06: (with COMMENT)
X-BeenThere: trill@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22
Precedence: list
List-Id: "Developing a hybrid router/bridge." <trill.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/trill>, <mailto:trill-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/trill/>
List-Post: <mailto:trill@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:trill-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/trill>, <mailto:trill-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2018 01:23:55 -0000

Hi Eric,

A -07 version of draft-ietf-trill-multilevel-unique-nickname has been
posted with the intent of resolving your comment.

Thanks,
Donald
===============================
 Donald E. Eastlake 3rd   +1-508-333-2270 (cell)
 155 Beaver Street, Milford, MA 01757 USA
 d3e3e3@gmail.com


On Mon, Mar 12, 2018 at 11:49 PM, Donald Eastlake <d3e3e3@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Eric,
>
> On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 9:27 AM, Eric Rescorla <ekr@rtfm.com> wrote:
>>
>> Eric Rescorla has entered the following ballot position for
>> draft-ietf-trill-multilevel-unique-nickname-06: No Objection
>>
>> ...
>>
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>> COMMENT:
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> In the security considerations,  isn't the requirement not that you configure
>> IS-IS authentication but that you actually have to require it on receipt? Or
>> are these the same things.
>
> I must admit that the current wording just talks about inclusion of
> authentication TLVs in a way which seems to leave out checking them
> :-)
>
> The wording should be improved.
>
>> Even with ordinary trill, can't you just spoof a lot of announcements with
>> other people's nicknames? Why is this different?
>
> Well, it is a bit more complex with IS-IS. It depends on just what you
> try to spoof. If you spoof an announcement from some existing RBridge,
> as soon as it is flooded to the claimed source RBridge that RBridge
> will issue an overwritting announcement or purge. But, unless you turn
> on appropriate security, there are ways to spoof announcements that
> would have bad effects.
>
> Thanks,
> Donald
> ===============================
>  Donald E. Eastlake 3rd   +1-508-333-2270 (cell)
>  155 Beaver Street, Milford, MA 01757 USA
>  d3e3e3@gmail.com