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Re: [Tsv-art] [OPSEC] Tsvart last call review of draft-ietf-opsec-ipv6-eh-filtering-06

Stewart Bryant <stewart.bryant@gmail.com> Tue, 27 November 2018 10:52 UTC

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Cc: Nick Hilliard <nick@foobar.org>, tsv-art <tsv-art@ietf.org>, OPSEC <opsec@ietf.org>, ietf <ietf@ietf.org>, draft-ietf-opsec-ipv6-eh-filtering.all@ietf.org
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I was simply explaining forwarding engineering 101, which seemed to be being forgotten in the tread.

Beyond that I don’t much care on way or the other.

Stewart



> On 27 Nov 2018, at 10:40, Joe Touch <touch@strayalpha.com> wrote:
> 
> Take that to the standards wg. Don’t stick your head in the sand and try to do an end run in ops. And don’t call any of this a security issue that it isn’t. 
> 
> Joe
> 
>> On Nov 27, 2018, at 2:17 AM, Stewart Bryant <stewart.bryant@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 27/11/2018 01:47, Joe Touch wrote:
>>> If you can’t handle options, then you’re just lying about the tbps.
>> 
>> When the required application performance exceeds the ability of the hardware
>> designers to deliver it economically (or may be at any price) something has to give.
>> At that point either the protocol gets modified, or it goes end of life.
>> 
>> - Stewart
>> 
>>> Joe
>>> 
>>>> On Nov 26, 2018, at 5:18 PM, Nick Hilliard <nick@foobar.org> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Joe Touch wrote on 26/11/2018 21:59:
>>>>> Rate limiting is quite different from 100% discards. When abuse
>>>>> happens, it's clearly safe to react.
>>>> data plane speeds are measured in terabits/sec.  Control plane capacity for dealing with punted packets is measured in kilobits.  As end user and data plane speeds increase, rate-limiting for problematic packets will tend towards towards 100% loss.
>>>> 
>>>> It doesn't matter if your packet stream is subject to 20% loss, or 100%, or 100% for 20% of the time - beyond a certain point, the end user experience will languish in an indistinguishable morass of unusability.
>>>> 
>>>> Nick
>>>> 
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