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Re: [Tsv-art] [OPSEC] Tsvart last call review of draft-ietf-opsec-ipv6-eh-filtering-06

Stewart Bryant <stewart.bryant@gmail.com> Tue, 27 November 2018 10:17 UTC

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To: Joe Touch <touch@strayalpha.com>, Nick Hilliard <nick@foobar.org>
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On 27/11/2018 01:47, Joe Touch wrote:
> If you can’t handle options, then you’re just lying about the tbps.

When the required application performance exceeds the ability of the 
hardware
designers to deliver it economically (or may be at any price) something 
has to give.
At that point either the protocol gets modified, or it goes end of life.

- Stewart

> Joe
>
>> On Nov 26, 2018, at 5:18 PM, Nick Hilliard <nick@foobar.org> wrote:
>>
>> Joe Touch wrote on 26/11/2018 21:59:
>>> Rate limiting is quite different from 100% discards. When abuse
>>> happens, it's clearly safe to react.
>> data plane speeds are measured in terabits/sec.  Control plane capacity for dealing with punted packets is measured in kilobits.  As end user and data plane speeds increase, rate-limiting for problematic packets will tend towards towards 100% loss.
>>
>> It doesn't matter if your packet stream is subject to 20% loss, or 100%, or 100% for 20% of the time - beyond a certain point, the end user experience will languish in an indistinguishable morass of unusability.
>>
>> Nick
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