Re: [Tsv-art] [OPSEC] Tsvart last call review of draft-ietf-opsec-ipv6-eh-filtering-06

Joe Touch <touch@strayalpha.com> Wed, 05 December 2018 04:32 UTC

Return-Path: <touch@strayalpha.com>
X-Original-To: tsv-art@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: tsv-art@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51377130DE4; Tue, 4 Dec 2018 20:32:15 -0800 (PST)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -0.919
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.919 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_INVALID=0.1, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MIME_QP_LONG_LINE=0.001, SPF_NEUTRAL=0.779] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no
Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=fail (2048-bit key) reason="fail (message has been altered)" header.d=strayalpha.com
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id dhQX126B9llS; Tue, 4 Dec 2018 20:32:13 -0800 (PST)
Received: from server217-3.web-hosting.com (server217-3.web-hosting.com [198.54.115.226]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8D05A130DDF; Tue, 4 Dec 2018 20:32:13 -0800 (PST)
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=strayalpha.com; s=default; h=To:References:Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding:Cc:Date:In-Reply-To:From:Subject:Mime-Version: Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date: Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id: List-Help:List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=0L1PKXg4dC1F3SLvo7prNY7y7DPpZx/0q0e2KXh1Bvo=; b=I/vv917iPPrVqvuPAHaA8SRfJ 8BYFqHD7fnX5VEcciLjft/NveIQPe7IRtS10ApUT7moH4UDG6MUiGuYlxUGzV5RYKGF5M3Fen5EvB jRXiV/lqBhTnv4FYLYS2qY2xmF/T0vmSSlVTBbCUJ9hAxh737HQX/uzzN2vX2savDSf+JXkXkwfSb Nhxh/7dscnt8DOAaJW8e8bg9tbyOkvgvR+DI/OfU3S4fyNnNXnZ2cYZWu0Tr5dGICnb1LRNd7MGSw IcgbBpFs+qpcX7mvPUMM9IN3j+MVoeYAML5DpGyuHOlssURNj5oy1syy0FP2G0eKuPCr+ZN1HPA84 upXhWnSWQ==;
Received: from cpe-172-250-240-132.socal.res.rr.com ([172.250.240.132]:53450 helo=[192.168.1.179]) by server217.web-hosting.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.91) (envelope-from <touch@strayalpha.com>) id 1gUOr5-004KMA-VX; Tue, 04 Dec 2018 23:32:12 -0500
Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail-A59A3538-E846-4F77-8E15-E0EA5487DE02"
Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0)
From: Joe Touch <touch@strayalpha.com>
X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (16B92)
In-Reply-To: <CAL9jLaYfysKm7qrG=+jq7zV=5ODnSX-tAhBAiTU7SzYF-YmcGw@mail.gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2018 20:32:11 -0800
Cc: ietf <ietf@ietf.org>, draft-ietf-opsec-ipv6-eh-filtering.all@ietf.org, Nick Hilliard <nick@foobar.org>, opsec wg mailing list <opsec@ietf.org>, tsv-art@ietf.org, Stewart Bryant <stewart.bryant@gmail.com>
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Message-Id: <728C6048-896E-4B12-B80B-2091D7373D16@strayalpha.com>
References: <977CA53D-7F72-4443-9DE2-F75F7A7C1569@strayalpha.com> <d6deb7af-99dd-9013-2722-8ebbe00c0b37@si6networks.com> <1CB13135-D87A-4100-8668-D761058E1388@strayalpha.com> <0f56c25d-7ac7-e534-4e2c-cc09f5154e77@foobar.org> <28EDE667-457E-4AED-8480-F27ECAA8E985@strayalpha.com> <6bd1ec94-f420-1f4c-9254-941814704dbb@gmail.com> <6be84ccf-9a72-2694-e19d-fa19043a0cb1@huitema.net> <4C249487-BD58-41BB-B8B6-081323E29F6C@strayalpha.com> <20181126075746.GO72840@Space.Net> <6C50775C-EB67-4236-93B8-DF0259E04167@strayalpha.com> <20181126175336.GW72840@Space.Net> <c959d8cb6f6a04a8da8318cfa89da341@strayalpha.com> <2425355d-e7cc-69dd-5b5d-78966056fea7@foobar.org> <C4D47788-0F3D-4512-A4E3-11F3E6EC230B@strayalpha.com> <8d3d3b05-ecc3-ad54-cb86-ffe6dc4b4f16@gmail.com> <C929A8B9-D65C-4EF7-9707-2238AE389BE3@strayalpha.com> <CAL9jLaY4h75KK4Bh-kZC6-5fJupaNdUfm1gK2Dg99jBntMCEyQ@mail.gmail.com> <C47149DC-CAF2-449F-8E18-A0572BBF4746@strayalpha.com> <CAL9jLaYfysKm7qrG=+jq7zV=5ODnSX-tAhBAiTU7SzYF-YmcGw@mail.gma il.com>
To: Christopher Morrow <morrowc.lists@gmail.com>
X-OutGoing-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.5
X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report
X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - server217.web-hosting.com
X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - ietf.org
X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12]
X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - strayalpha.com
X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: server217.web-hosting.com: authenticated_id: touch@strayalpha.com
X-Authenticated-Sender: server217.web-hosting.com: touch@strayalpha.com
X-Source:
X-Source-Args:
X-Source-Dir:
X-From-Rewrite: unmodified, already matched
Archived-At: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/tsv-art/O1ZfRMJjU1OqIrTjpvNxmZesaBA>
Subject: Re: [Tsv-art] [OPSEC] Tsvart last call review of draft-ietf-opsec-ipv6-eh-filtering-06
X-BeenThere: tsv-art@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29
Precedence: list
List-Id: Transport Area Review Team <tsv-art.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/tsv-art>, <mailto:tsv-art-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/tsv-art/>
List-Post: <mailto:tsv-art@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:tsv-art-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tsv-art>, <mailto:tsv-art-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2018 04:32:15 -0000


On Dec 4, 2018, at 8:11 PM, Christopher Morrow <morrowc.lists@gmail.com> wrote:

>> That works only for HBH options of type 00. Others require particular actions when not supported.
>> 
> 
> can you expand on this some?

Nobody deprecated the flags that require HBH options to be processed or dropped if not supported. 

And if there is a security risk to the control plane, it is using that place for slow path processing without properly limiting its use of shared resources. 

This idea that packets processed as intended are a security risk is like saying big packets are a security risk to small packets. It may be a bad design but it doesn’t mean such packets are inherently a security risk. 

Joe