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Re: [Tsv-art] [OPSEC] Tsvart last call review of draft-ietf-opsec-ipv6-eh-filtering-06

Joe Touch <touch@strayalpha.com> Tue, 27 November 2018 01:47 UTC

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From: Joe Touch <touch@strayalpha.com>
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If you can’t handle options, then you’re just lying about the tbps.

Joe

> On Nov 26, 2018, at 5:18 PM, Nick Hilliard <nick@foobar.org> wrote:
> 
> Joe Touch wrote on 26/11/2018 21:59:
>> Rate limiting is quite different from 100% discards. When abuse
>> happens, it's clearly safe to react.
> data plane speeds are measured in terabits/sec.  Control plane capacity for dealing with punted packets is measured in kilobits.  As end user and data plane speeds increase, rate-limiting for problematic packets will tend towards towards 100% loss.
> 
> It doesn't matter if your packet stream is subject to 20% loss, or 100%, or 100% for 20% of the time - beyond a certain point, the end user experience will languish in an indistinguishable morass of unusability.
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> Nick
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