Re: [tsvwg] Consensus call on ECT(1)
Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com> Sun, 17 May 2020 17:52 UTC
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Subject: Re: [tsvwg] Consensus call on ECT(1)
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If I had to make a choice, today, I would vote for option 2. ECT(1) as a network output. The present conception of SCE "fails safe" in far more circumstances than the present conception of L4S appears to. The internet as a whole needs to retain and improve upon, the existing strong signal of congestion that the RFC3168 compliant CE indicator brings to it, and furthermore, more fully deploy the existing IETF AQMs in more places where it matters. However, I vote for option 3, with a rationale to follow. (The chair's question also wanted a list of tests, but that got too long for this vote, so I am moving that to the rationale) -- "For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Mother Nature cannot be fooled" - Richard Feynman dave@taht.net <Dave Täht> CTO, TekLibre, LLC Tel: 1-831-435-0729
- [tsvwg] Consensus call on ECT(1) Wesley Eddy
- Re: [tsvwg] Consensus call on ECT(1) Greg White
- Re: [tsvwg] Consensus call on ECT(1) Jonathan Morton
- Re: [tsvwg] Consensus call on ECT(1) Steven Blake
- Re: [tsvwg] Consensus call on ECT(1) Sebastian Moeller
- Re: [tsvwg] Consensus call on ECT(1) Jeremy Harris
- Re: [tsvwg] Consensus call on ECT(1) Smith, Kevin, Vodafone Group
- Re: [tsvwg] Consensus call on ECT(1) Roland Bless
- Re: [tsvwg] Consensus call on ECT(1) Neal Cardwell
- Re: [tsvwg] Consensus call on ECT(1) Mirja Kuehlewind
- Re: [tsvwg] Consensus call on ECT(1) Anders Bloom
- Re: [tsvwg] Consensus call on ECT(1) Finkelstein, Jeff (CCI-Atlanta)
- Re: [tsvwg] Consensus call on ECT(1) Tommy Pauly
- Re: [tsvwg] Consensus call on ECT(1) De Schepper, Koen (Nokia - BE/Antwerp)
- Re: [tsvwg] Consensus call on ECT(1) C. M. Heard
- Re: [tsvwg] Consensus call on ECT(1) Uma Chunduri
- Re: [tsvwg] Consensus call on ECT(1) Ruediger.Geib
- Re: [tsvwg] Consensus call on ECT(1) Kyle Rose
- Re: [tsvwg] Consensus call on ECT(1) Black, David
- Re: [tsvwg] Consensus call on ECT(1) Holland, Jake
- Re: [tsvwg] Consensus call on ECT(1) Ozer, Sebnem
- [tsvwg] 3) "There is a specific test or tests I n… Dave Taht
- Re: [tsvwg] Consensus call on ECT(1) Ranganathan, Ram
- Re: [tsvwg] Consensus call on ECT(1) Paul Vixie
- Re: [tsvwg] Consensus call on ECT(1) Bob Briscoe
- Re: [tsvwg] Consensus call on ECT(1) Adi Masputra
- Re: [tsvwg] Consensus call on ECT(1) Asad Sajjad Ahmed
- Re: [tsvwg] Consensus call on ECT(1) Christoph Paasch
- Re: [tsvwg] Consensus call on ECT(1) Scheffenegger, Richard
- Re: [tsvwg] Consensus call on ECT(1) Lars Eggert
- Re: [tsvwg] Consensus call on ECT(1) Tilmans, Olivier (Nokia - BE/Antwerp)
- Re: [tsvwg] Consensus call on ECT(1) Andreas Petlund
- Re: [tsvwg] Consensus call on ECT(1) Rodney W. Grimes
- Re: [tsvwg] Consensus call on ECT(1) Jana Iyengar
- Re: [tsvwg] Consensus call on ECT(1) Joakim Misund
- Re: [tsvwg] Consensus call on ECT(1) Pete Heist
- Re: [tsvwg] Consensus call on ECT(1) Stuart Cheshire
- Re: [tsvwg] Consensus call on ECT(1) Sebastian Moeller
- Re: [tsvwg] Consensus call on ECT(1) Vividh Siddha
- Re: [tsvwg] Consensus call on ECT(1) David Pullen
- Re: [tsvwg] Consensus call on ECT(1) Campos, Angel, Vodafone Spain
- Re: [tsvwg] Consensus call on ECT(1) Flinck, Hannu (Nokia - FI/Espoo)
- Re: [tsvwg] Consensus call on ECT(1) Karthik Sundaresan
- Re: [tsvwg] Consensus call on ECT(1) Praveen Balasubramanian
- Re: [tsvwg] Consensus call on ECT(1) philip.eardley
- Re: [tsvwg] Consensus call on ECT(1) Tom Henderson
- Re: [tsvwg] Consensus call on ECT(1) Dave Taht
- Re: [tsvwg] Consensus call on ECT(1) K. K. Ramakrishnan
- Re: [tsvwg] Consensus call on ECT(1) Liyizhou
- Re: [tsvwg] Consensus call on ECT(1) Dan Siemon
- Re: [tsvwg] Consensus call on ECT(1) Mohit P. Tahiliani
- [tsvwg] More testing (was: Consensus call on ECT(… Bob Briscoe
- Re: [tsvwg] Consensus call on ECT(1) Roland Bless
- Re: [tsvwg] Consensus call on ECT(1) Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: [tsvwg] Consensus call on ECT(1) Steven Blake