From nobody Sat Jun 5 20:29:12 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tsvwg@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tsvwg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D2FA3A3A25 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2021 20:29:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.848 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.848 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=0.25, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2_t0JTZmGCZF for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2021 20:29:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-lj1-x22e.google.com (mail-lj1-x22e.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::22e]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 83A8E3A3A23 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2021 20:29:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-lj1-x22e.google.com with SMTP id w15so17094085ljo.10 for ; Sat, 05 Jun 2021 20:29:05 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=9WxrPYZSDgG/+hTPXqdbRB6F2NfM/cDl1Wezu4R3egk=; b=q/IKnZt5k89BpW3REkS2tEF962q6IzkOXMhmAJNx206oAi4OpdN3NYq+eWTPm5ietL 6j+OH/lLcyx0vKwgWLDnddBSCoMwRo6uNQ8gggzHiZMuoYYnNtwp+ikGWIygUYexo3rj a0rEw6JA9GngOgqAJnG/Fm3byakO1FJ9wz74RGMoAARjEPAJ63QUsww+H9V9sNr82vcj lwPXkXvIRe7dQeBATMxNP+O8/Xh/jLIRQ1VHY+0ftd392G/IkxeHAvVgLpDIwEfMn9xB 7iqhvuq3kiu4UGT6vqe4AlgyHRvCfUHP8RlYnX3cNMLaPbizB8alFUx9QBd9zEpYbgMB Mi0g== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=9WxrPYZSDgG/+hTPXqdbRB6F2NfM/cDl1Wezu4R3egk=; b=bzN3TD0tM9J/GP7CLXIW2pYkCyTeMqWL3BDaum7L7FPRI2fb4rYoVGBoI9MUpR8uiV YbIvm7ddvUHtqVyszxqm9Za0nfUp3YkQcBCBFR4sDqewnmKxatkheXZ1hZODiaPZLJ7g XoYD8GfRCxZ0JlaIGg9aVINhN62jzsUXdJERDzSIcsGNlVdQVolUYPt1cnUNXPGvU227 sRumTg7swjc8jTShSIYYefBa5KR7YfEAwro1RkN3zv1084fZ5TOyo4ExAWgr/13IiNGt +ykadFdnyYiRchb574MHWmGwRPTn9lPmGv43l1AYj/FNDpqZT2puWNWL+gJGUO/d39MC VHdQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM5305knD9EAFfr8ibbQd11q++SCiXOtU9rCXdhRSiOxMsvQa7Eu5E QfD40JgjWt4AkKWp1/9HWzA= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJyENQnuQIUWwep2EOWLX0ZukCYftYfNGvug1Amag0j/44iTI/rIukq0WTfMkEiNXbkVqRuncA== X-Received: by 2002:a2e:a603:: with SMTP id v3mr9803446ljp.175.1622950142964; Sat, 05 Jun 2021 20:29:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from jonathartonsmbp.lan (87-93-133-133.bb.dnainternet.fi. [87.93.133.133]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id t2sm395609lfg.100.2021.06.05.20.29.02 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-ECDSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sat, 05 Jun 2021 20:29:02 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.5 \(3445.9.7\)) From: Jonathan Morton In-Reply-To: Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2021 06:29:01 +0300 Cc: "Black, David" , Martin Duke , TSVWG Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <2AC8464D-9244-4AAF-978F-468B922FAB42@gmail.com> References: To: "C. M. Heard" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.9.7) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [tsvwg] DSCPs and L4S: Label DSCP X-BeenThere: tsvwg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Transport Area Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Jun 2021 03:29:10 -0000 > On 6 Jun, 2021, at 1:08 am, C. M. Heard wrote: >=20 > I think it's clear that what is wanted by the L4S proponents is an = experimental internet-wide deployment, not a set of isolated = deployments. If the WG agrees, it should have the courage of its = convictions and declare that RFC 3168 is obsolete. To quote King Leonidas of Sparta: "If." - Jonathan Morton=