Re: [tsvwg] IPR Declarations on draft-ietf-tsvwg-aqm-dualq-coupled

Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> Sat, 22 June 2019 00:07 UTC

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To: Bob Briscoe <ietf@bobbriscoe.net>, "tsvwg@ietf.org" <tsvwg@ietf.org>
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From: Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com>
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Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2019 12:07:18 +1200
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Subject: Re: [tsvwg] IPR Declarations on draft-ietf-tsvwg-aqm-dualq-coupled
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https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc3669 is still good reading. The essence
of our IPR disclosure requirements have not changed since then.

(I'm not aware of a current discussion venue for this topic.)

Regards
   Brian

On 22-Jun-19 09:00, Bob Briscoe wrote:
> tsvwg,
> 
> On 20/06/2019 13:04, Toke Høiland-Jørgensen wrote:
>>
>>> "Reciprocity" includes retaining the right to assert the Disclosed
>>> Patents against any entity, and its Affiliates, that asserts any
>>> patent(s) that it owns or controls (directly or indirectly) either
>>> against the Covenantor, or any of its Affiliates or any successor in
>>> title to them, or against any products, or portions thereof, of the
>>> Covenantor, its Affiliates or supplied by the Covenantor, or its
>>> Affiliates, to their customers either alone or in combination with
>>> other products.
>> This termination clause is a non-starter.
> 
> I've replied to Toke off list cc the chairs, cos I don't think the 
> merits of different licence clauses are in scope for this list. I 
> believe Toke has misunderstood, but until we resolve it, I don't think 
> tsvwg is the right place for opinions from non-lawyers about legal matters.
> 
> Does the IETF have a list for this type of discussion? I don't think 
> ipr-wg@ietf.org or legal@ietf.org are appropriate.
> 
> 
> 
> Bob
>