Re: [tsvwg] MISSREF*R(1G) document in C238 has been overtaken by draft in IESG Evaluation - what now? :-)

[Spencer Dawkins at IETF <[e-mail]>]

Hi, Sandy,

On Wed, Feb 20, 2019, 14:40 Sandy Ginoza <[e-mail] wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> In this case, sending email to the RFC Editor or adding an RFC Editor note
> both work for us.  In the note or email for draft-ietf-tsvwg-rtcweb-qos,
> please also include the addition of a normative reference to
> draft-ietf-tsvwg-le-phb that David mentioned.
>
> Is it correct that you want the updates from Section 12
> draft-ietf-tsvwg-le-phb to be included in draft-ietf-tsvwg-rtcweb-qos and
> that Section 12 of draft-ietf-tsvwg-le-phb should be removed from the
> document?  If that’s the case, I think having an additional RFC Editor note
> in draft-ietf-tsvwg-le-phb asking us to remove Section 12 would be helpful.
>
>

That is the case.

I'll include all these details in the RFC Editor Note in
draft-ietf-tsvwg-le-phb.

And thank you for your help!

Spencer

Does this work?
>
> Thanks,
> Sandy
>
>
> On Feb 20, 2019, at 2:09 PM, Spencer Dawkins at IETF <
> [e-mail]> wrote:
>
> Hi, Heather,
>
> On Wed, Feb 20, 2019 at 3:49 PM Heather Flanagan <[e-mail]>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Spencer,
>>
>> I know it’s rude to answer a question with a question… but I have a few
>> questions.
>>
>> Draft-ietf-tsvwg-le-phb is not in our queue yet, right? Will it become
>> part of C238 when it is in our queue?
>>
>
> draft-ietf-tsvwg-le-phb is on the telechat agenda for tomorrow.
>
> I believe the only connection with draft-ietf-tsvwg-rtcweb-qos are the
> instructions in Section 12 - so if those instructions are carried out by
> the RFC Editor, draft-ietf-tsvwg-le-phb shouldn't need to be part of C238.
>
> [David>] In addition. draft-ietf-tsvwg-rtcweb-qos will acquire a normative
> reference to draft-ietf-tsvwg-le-phb as a result of these edits.
> Fortunately, that will **not** make draft-ietf-tsvwg-le-phb part of C238.
>
>
>
>
>> When the text in draft-ietf-tsvwg-rtcweb-qos is changed, will that text
>> then be removed from draft-ietf-tsvwg-le-phb?
>>
>
> That would make sense to me.
>
>
>> Will there still be any kind of Updates relationship between
>> draft-ietf-tsvwg-le-phb and draft-ietf-tsvwg-rtcweb-qos when this change is
>> made?
>>
>
> I don't believe so. The theory I'm using is that TSVWG is changing the
> text of a draft that hasn't been issued as an RFC yet (with instructions in
> another draft that will be removed), so no kind of Updates relationship
> would exist - there won't be any text in draft-ietf-tsvwg-le-phb that
> updates draft-ietf-tsvwg-rtcweb-qos.
>
>>
>> If draft-ietf-tsvwg-le-phb is not in our queue and will not be part of
>> C238, then I think an RFC Editor Note would be very useful for that draft.
>> If we haven’t started editing draft-ietf-tsvwg-rtcweb-qos, then an RFC
>> Editor Note there would be useful to. I defer to Sandy, though, as to what
>> the editors will find most useful to make sure this change is captured
>> during the editing process.
>>
>
> Hi, Sandy :-)
>
> I can add the RFC Editor Note to draft-ietf-tsvwg-le-phb. Could you let me
> know if I should also add an RFC Editor note to draft-ietf-tsvwg-rtcweb-qos?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Spencer
>
> Thanks,
>> Heather
>>
>> On Feb 20, 2019, at 12:59 PM, Spencer Dawkins at IETF <
>> [e-mail]> wrote:
>>
>> Dear Heather,
>>
>> The IESG has https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-tsvwg-le-phb/
>> in IESG Evaluation for this week's telechat, and this draft
>> updates draft-ietf-tsvwg-rtcweb-qos, which I'm sure you recognize because
>> it's in Cluster C238, and has been hanging in the RFC Editor queue for some
>> number of years.
>>
>> We THINK we don't want to have draft-ietf-tsvwg-rtcweb-qos published as
>> an RFC and immediately have another RFC published that updates it - right?
>>
>> We THINK the instructions in
>> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-tsvwg-le-phb-09#section-12
>> describe the changes to draft-ietf-tsvwg-rtcweb-qos clearly.
>>
>> What is the proper way for the IESG to tell the RFC Editor to go ahead
>> and make the changes to draft-ietf-tsvwg-rtcweb-qos?
>>
>> Our guesses include, but are not limited to,
>>
>>    - Adding an RFC Editor Note to draft-ietf-tsvwg-le-phb (the draft
>>    with instructions about updating draft-ietf-tsvwg-rtcweb-qos)
>>    - Adding an RFC Editor Note to draft-ietf-tsvwg-rtcweb-qos (the draft
>>    to be updated)
>>    - Sending an e-mail to the RFC Editor requesting that the text
>>    changes be applied to draft-ietf-tsvwg-rtcweb-qos before it is published
>>
>> but I bet that you know what will make live easiest for you and the RFC
>> editor staff ... please let me know.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Spencer
>>
>> Spencer
>>
>>
>>
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