Re: [tsvwg] IPR Declarations on draft-ietf-tsvwg-aqm-dualq-coupled

Bob Briscoe <ietf@bobbriscoe.net> Fri, 21 June 2019 21:00 UTC

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Subject: Re: [tsvwg] IPR Declarations on draft-ietf-tsvwg-aqm-dualq-coupled
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tsvwg,

On 20/06/2019 13:04, Toke Høiland-Jørgensen wrote:
>
>> "Reciprocity" includes retaining the right to assert the Disclosed
>> Patents against any entity, and its Affiliates, that asserts any
>> patent(s) that it owns or controls (directly or indirectly) either
>> against the Covenantor, or any of its Affiliates or any successor in
>> title to them, or against any products, or portions thereof, of the
>> Covenantor, its Affiliates or supplied by the Covenantor, or its
>> Affiliates, to their customers either alone or in combination with
>> other products.
> This termination clause is a non-starter.

I've replied to Toke off list cc the chairs, cos I don't think the 
merits of different licence clauses are in scope for this list. I 
believe Toke has misunderstood, but until we resolve it, I don't think 
tsvwg is the right place for opinions from non-lawyers about legal matters.

Does the IETF have a list for this type of discussion? I don't think 
ipr-wg@ietf.org or legal@ietf.org are appropriate.



Bob

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