From nobody Sun Jun 4 20:15:46 2023 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tsvwg@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tsvwg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02E86C151064 for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2023 20:15:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.315 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.315 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_ZEN_BLOCKED_OPENDNS=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NEUTRAL=0.779, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001, URIBL_DBL_BLOCKED_OPENDNS=0.001, URIBL_ZEN_BLOCKED_OPENDNS=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=strayalpha.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([50.223.129.194]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 39FLCrhpMlza for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2023 20:15:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from server217-2.web-hosting.com (server217-2.web-hosting.com [198.54.115.98]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B341BC14CF05 for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2023 20:15:41 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=strayalpha.com; s=default; h=To:References:Message-Id:Cc:Date:In-Reply-To: From:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To: Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date: Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id: List-Help:List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=LM7KGiRmAgtGZ0xnD5n46A1qwnWSA/ahYnepK8z6Kuw=; b=2rfqwEiVbu+VDCgFZGHMEWyZ3j 0jDn1lY1hQ0VOXIKwA3FoBjSWxlhvkJ7nkEB1yzGblqJk+IDMaZ4a66IVOmFlnyAP02/gCQu2H5tk C+yVxCwoiGJqfwMX/Y2SrsFtWDp+lWnnJMMaN9YlEyoz5m41LVNKymi7aSg4bFWFSVBg8kBXh7k+b DqxLwe3D4GPYJW2m/MbE6+4e8Qc6eR5Ps7pa/z9TxN9Z6Izjmmosskly25fLxuc0ypgy6ZMFPV9lF V32gtaNfbzFXySwTfXJNmmccXx9rITREHOjl+eivVH5sL4TolgARE6hef6Edh8jetKYsqWUhQiE/6 Qk0oAeMA==; Received: from [172.58.208.6] (port=11222 helo=smtpclient.apple) by server217.web-hosting.com with esmtpsa (TLS1.2) tls TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (Exim 4.95) (envelope-from ) id 1q60gw-00H3gS-OC; Sun, 04 Jun 2023 23:15:39 -0400 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_971C66BB-86BC-4C71-A272-90D17531B542" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 16.0 \(3731.600.7\)) From: "touch@strayalpha.com" In-Reply-To: Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2023 20:15:22 -0700 Cc: Dave Taht , tsvwg IETF list Message-Id: <16922F7E-EED2-4298-98EC-AA7784A0D4AD@strayalpha.com> References: To: Mitchell Erblich X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3731.600.7) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - server217.web-hosting.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - ietf.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - strayalpha.com X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: server217.web-hosting.com: authenticated_id: touch@strayalpha.com X-Authenticated-Sender: server217.web-hosting.com: touch@strayalpha.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-From-Rewrite: unmodified, already matched Archived-At: Subject: Re: [tsvwg] a new method of congestion control X-BeenThere: tsvwg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.39 Precedence: list List-Id: Transport Area Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2023 03:15:46 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_971C66BB-86BC-4C71-A272-90D17531B542 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Ethernet has a LOT of extensions: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IEEE_802.1=EF=BF=BC Could this either be some subset of newer extensions or = revival/vendor-specific variants of past attempts? Joe =E2=80=94 Dr. Joe Touch, temporal epistemologist www.strayalpha.com > On Jun 4, 2023, at 7:50 PM, Mitchell Erblich = wrote: >=20 > Weird, In my Opinion (IMO), >=20 > How do you separate out AI versus non-AI flows, so you can = tailer one type network flow to AI aware applications? >=20 > Is AI consuming even 20% of network bandwidth at this time? >=20 > Isn=E2=80=99t Apple=E2=80=99s ?Siri? an AI application = approaching 10 years of age, which I find far from perfect. >=20 > It is like having a different Ethernet protocol for UDP versus = TCP. >=20 > The article must be missing critical information or the writer = doesn=E2=80=99t understand TCP and/or CA. >=20 > Mitchell Erblich > erblichs@earthlink.net >=20 >=20 >=20 >> On Jun 4, 2023, at 5:53 PM, Dave Taht wrote: >>=20 >> announced by nvidia here: >> = https://www.zdnet.com/article/nvidia-unveils-new-kind-of-ethernet-for-ai-g= race-hopper-superchip-in-full-production/ >>=20 >> I have no idea what an AI workload looks like, familiarity with a ton >> of DC l2 protocols, and there are hints in this post about telemetry. >>=20 >> Anyone have clue here? >>=20 >> --=20 >> Podcast: = https://www.linkedin.com/feed/update/urn:li:activity:7058793910227111937/ >> Dave T=C3=A4ht CSO, LibreQos >>=20 >=20 --Apple-Mail=_971C66BB-86BC-4C71-A272-90D17531B542 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="text/html"; boundary="Apple-Mail=_0DC17C4C-7232-4C8B-BBE2-EE2B7641EB29" --Apple-Mail=_0DC17C4C-7232-4C8B-BBE2-EE2B7641EB29 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Ethernet has a = LOT of extensions:

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Could this either be = some subset of newer extensions or revival/vendor-specific variants of = past attempts?

Joe

=E2=80=94
Dr. Joe Touch, temporal = epistemologist
www.strayalpha.com

On Jun 4, 2023, at 7:50 PM, = Mitchell Erblich <erblichs@earthlink.net> wrote:

Weird, In my Opinion = (IMO),

= How do you separate out AI versus non-AI flows, so you can tailer = one type network flow to AI aware applications?

Is AI = consuming even 20% of network bandwidth at this time?

Isn=E2=80=99= t Apple=E2=80=99s ?Siri? an AI application approaching 10 years of age, = which I find far from perfect.

It is like having a different = Ethernet protocol for UDP versus TCP.

The = article must be missing critical information or the writer doesn=E2=80=99t= understand TCP and/or CA.

Mitchell = Erblich
erblichs@earthlink.net



On Jun 4, 2023, at 5:53 PM, Dave Taht = <dave.taht@gmail.com> wrote:

announced by nvidia = here:
https://www.zdnet.com/article/nvidia-unveils-new-kind-of-ethernet= -for-ai-grace-hopper-superchip-in-full-production/

I have no idea = what an AI workload looks like, familiarity with a ton
of DC l2 = protocols, and there are hints in this post about = telemetry.

Anyone have clue here?

--
Podcast: = https://www.linkedin.com/feed/update/urn:li:activity:7058793910227111937/<= br>Dave T=C3=A4ht CSO, = LibreQos



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