Re: [tsvwg] status on L4S terminology improvements

"Scharf, Michael" <Michael.Scharf@hs-esslingen.de> Wed, 29 July 2020 11:59 UTC

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From: "Scharf, Michael" <Michael.Scharf@hs-esslingen.de>
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Subject: Re: [tsvwg] status on L4S terminology improvements
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> Interested parties should check over the current L4S drafts in regard to
> whether the last couple rounds of editing have fully addressed the
> tracker issue on "terminology improvements" (reduction of "hype",
> removal of "classic TCP", and checking all other uses of 'traditional',
> 'classic', and 'legacy').
> 
> https://trac.ietf.org/trac/tsvwg/ticket/27
> 
> It looks to me like Greg's comment at the bottom of that ticket
> summarizes the status decently, and this is now in need of other
> eyeballs to verify that this has been adequately addressed and can be
> closed.

Indeed, the terminology in the documents has improved.

I don't plan to use some of the remaining "classic" terminology in this document myself. This also includes other related terms such as "'less unscalable' CUBIC", for which IMHO better alternatives could be found.

Yet, authors of INFO and EXP documents probably have some degree of freedom what language to use - and I am not a native speaker. In the IETF compromises are necessary and one cannot always get 100%...

As a result, as long as I am the only one who has no plans to use some of the words picked by the authors, maybe it is time for the WG to move on and focus on the other issues.

Michael