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Re: [tsvwg] [saag] Comments on draft-ietf-tsvwg-transport-encrypt-08.txt

Mirja Kuehlewind <mirja.kuehlewind@ericsson.com> Wed, 06 November 2019 07:14 UTC

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From: Mirja Kuehlewind <mirja.kuehlewind@ericsson.com>
To: David Schinazi <dschinazi.ietf@gmail.com>
CC: Joe Touch <touch@strayalpha.com>, "gorry@erg.abdn.ac.uk" <gorry@erg.abdn.ac.uk>, Christian Huitema <huitema@huitema.net>, tsvwg IETF list <tsvwg@ietf.org>, "saag@ietf.org" <saag@ietf.org>
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Subject: Re: [tsvwg] [saag] Comments on draft-ietf-tsvwg-transport-encrypt-08.txt
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Hi David,

This document is not intended to discourage header encryption but to make sure that operational considerations are taken into account when exactly design new protocols that should have header encryption (as well as payload encryption). If you think this document discourages header encryption, we need to fix that. Would be helpful if you could indicate to the authors where you think this is the case.

Mirja


> Am 05.11.2019 um 23:10 schrieb David Schinazi <dschinazi.ietf@gmail.com>:
> 
> I also oppose publication of draft-ietf-tsvwg-transport-encrypt. This document discourages transport header encryption and publishing it could harm future protocol development.
> 
> David
> 
>> On Tue, Nov 5, 2019 at 1:04 PM Joe Touch <touch@strayalpha.com> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> > On Nov 5, 2019, at 12:35 PM, Mirja Kuehlewind <mirja.kuehlewind=40ericsson.com@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote:
>> > 
>> > What I’m hearing is that 2-3 people think this is not aligned but don’t actually say why exactly they think that
>> 
>> That’s not what we’re saying. We gave reasons. 
>> 
>> Joe

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