Re: [tsvwg] CC/bleaching thoughts for draft-ietf-tsvwg-le-phb-04

Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> Mon, 09 April 2018 20:52 UTC

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Subject: Re: [tsvwg] CC/bleaching thoughts for draft-ietf-tsvwg-le-phb-04
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On 09/04/2018 19:13, Ruediger.Geib@telekom.de wrote:
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> My general view is: don't link determined end to end transport behavior to DSCP values bearing no 
> end to end significance.

+many. The fact that DSCP meanings are domain-specific is so fundamental
that coupling them to e2e transport behaviour is condemned to failure.
(Which we spent a lot of time explaining to the WebRTC folk.) Very different
from ECN.

    Brian