Re: [tsvwg] MISSREF*R(1G) document in C238 has been overtaken by draft in IESG Evaluation - what now? :-)

[Sandy Ginoza <[e-mail]>]

Hi all,

In this case, sending email to the RFC Editor or adding an RFC Editor note both work for us.  In the note or email for draft-ietf-tsvwg-rtcweb-qos, please also include the addition of a normative reference to draft-ietf-tsvwg-le-phb that David mentioned.

Is it correct that you want the updates from Section 12 draft-ietf-tsvwg-le-phb to be included in draft-ietf-tsvwg-rtcweb-qos and that Section 12 of draft-ietf-tsvwg-le-phb should be removed from the document?  If that’s the case, I think having an additional RFC Editor note in draft-ietf-tsvwg-le-phb asking us to remove Section 12 would be helpful.  

Does this work?

Thanks,
Sandy


> On Feb 20, 2019, at 2:09 PM, Spencer Dawkins at IETF <[e-mail]> wrote:
> 
> Hi, Heather, 
> 
> On Wed, Feb 20, 2019 at 3:49 PM Heather Flanagan <[e-mail] <mailto:[e-mail]>> wrote:
> Hi Spencer,
> 
> I know it’s rude to answer a question with a question… but I have a few questions.
> 
> Draft-ietf-tsvwg-le-phb is not in our queue yet, right? Will it become part of C238 when it is in our queue? 
> 
> draft-ietf-tsvwg-le-phb is on the telechat agenda for tomorrow. 
> 
> I believe the only connection with draft-ietf-tsvwg-rtcweb-qos are the instructions in Section 12 - so if those instructions are carried out by the RFC Editor, draft-ietf-tsvwg-le-phb shouldn't need to be part of C238.
[David>] In addition. draft-ietf-tsvwg-rtcweb-qos will acquire a normative reference to draft-ietf-tsvwg-le-phb as a result of these edits.  Fortunately, that will *not* make draft-ietf-tsvwg-le-phb part of C238.



> 
> When the text in draft-ietf-tsvwg-rtcweb-qos is changed, will that text then be removed from draft-ietf-tsvwg-le-phb? 
> 
> That would make sense to me. 
>  
> Will there still be any kind of Updates relationship between draft-ietf-tsvwg-le-phb and draft-ietf-tsvwg-rtcweb-qos when this change is made?
> 
> I don't believe so. The theory I'm using is that TSVWG is changing the text of a draft that hasn't been issued as an RFC yet (with instructions in another draft that will be removed), so no kind of Updates relationship would exist - there won't be any text in draft-ietf-tsvwg-le-phb that updates draft-ietf-tsvwg-rtcweb-qos. 
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> If draft-ietf-tsvwg-le-phb is not in our queue and will not be part of C238, then I think an RFC Editor Note would be very useful for that draft. If we haven’t started editing draft-ietf-tsvwg-rtcweb-qos, then an RFC Editor Note there would be useful to. I defer to Sandy, though, as to what the editors will find most useful to make sure this change is captured during the editing process.
> 
> Hi, Sandy :-) 
> 
> I can add the RFC Editor Note to draft-ietf-tsvwg-le-phb. Could you let me know if I should also add an RFC Editor note to draft-ietf-tsvwg-rtcweb-qos?
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Spencer
> 
> Thanks,
> Heather
> 
>> On Feb 20, 2019, at 12:59 PM, Spencer Dawkins at IETF <[e-mail] <mailto:[e-mail]>> wrote:
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>> Dear Heather,
>> 
>> The IESG has https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-tsvwg-le-phb/ <https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-tsvwg-le-phb/> in IESG Evaluation for this week's telechat, and this draft updates draft-ietf-tsvwg-rtcweb-qos, which I'm sure you recognize because it's in Cluster C238, and has been hanging in the RFC Editor queue for some number of years. 
>> 
>> We THINK we don't want to have draft-ietf-tsvwg-rtcweb-qos published as an RFC and immediately have another RFC published that updates it - right?
>> 
>> We THINK the instructions in https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-tsvwg-le-phb-09#section-12 <https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-tsvwg-le-phb-09#section-12> describe the changes to draft-ietf-tsvwg-rtcweb-qos clearly.
>> 
>> What is the proper way for the IESG to tell the RFC Editor to go ahead and make the changes to draft-ietf-tsvwg-rtcweb-qos? 
>> 
>> Our guesses include, but are not limited to, 
>> Adding an RFC Editor Note to draft-ietf-tsvwg-le-phb (the draft with instructions about updating draft-ietf-tsvwg-rtcweb-qos)
>> Adding an RFC Editor Note to draft-ietf-tsvwg-rtcweb-qos (the draft to be updated)
>> Sending an e-mail to the RFC Editor requesting that the text changes be applied to draft-ietf-tsvwg-rtcweb-qos before it is published
>> but I bet that you know what will make live easiest for you and the RFC editor staff ... please let me know.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Spencer
>> 
>> Spencer
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