From nobody Fri Jun 11 05:53:02 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tsvwg@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tsvwg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E03D3A3688 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2021 05:53:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.848 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.848 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=0.25, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id K0R1Pv5STKXK for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2021 05:52:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-lf1-x12b.google.com (mail-lf1-x12b.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::12b]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E9D353A3685 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2021 05:52:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-lf1-x12b.google.com with SMTP id bp38so8466437lfb.0 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2021 05:52:56 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=OGOaceyomxWvIpHA3JpO0eXk0k08mSd54+Z37ad/rjA=; b=AC2MjpntG5YNBqJdWZhzPcbYNllEFm9pzjW3+FoVFkfDhJnFQ7yRfPIUMe+RUNEelr n2w2VDlFL8XfMZ6+00YdQP0ygo41gi+mqAc2XpgcGrvkE4e98mewgYKDPz9HFJYKMzR0 VGUQM1MoERKllb/5R+s/sijLuv3xIpPxf5ueFoiWZiiSHejgdCiu3Y5ZQrAnXCKCCglX WvnOrwXm8w3CX5H8k0tYyz5rT+JBDL8oXsMLx10zvsI0hEzvdl3HG0z2mzMsfTkDiYLp dRHmOFXOTLYNgxIbZz5mrOxpBbTMpGCEqRf/v4dXrCLGtMeeyTLlsPZvbOti/mln9xBd CWJg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=OGOaceyomxWvIpHA3JpO0eXk0k08mSd54+Z37ad/rjA=; b=YNLLUnhKseyY8ihG71YaeFQi1rDyPYBXB2Z0d7eapjIOZ5awjwGkk4FlB4Mxn5qot7 b79DSlSb9/m8qFqsBcNgyo8gLAs01Aj/+qyvxnA8MJeS8ee8YOH2Vu5To6AaSH1k1C4L faAMOIUXGRH8l3V+/Pf3ZPOAvtokm2ILYrdUv1bXPHisPPUf1GeZTi9OpV7biaA2VLOj UhV6TKaHKQoqB9JaRNML0B1XEOyZLN47YN6i9E/DC/QoOhciBfwPAVuuMxBRbttxWC6d 6et9LzGooaE2B/wMVihJLRa5SJgYqvFhVClhMseVtwJ09bGQ8YV/SDXaMmZUGomaO4Ig EAqg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM5325RGPwinqUWzUK+XY6Bjz0KqYGIYuhSY8m/bGGutU06uBCPy78 bsctlNFdUMCMPxYJNpxGhpA= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJxMy6MzsAdtnJOXWIVL21Hu2lu6uA6IaO3Ddw0HUY5IDbiXM3IFQCFhkRYzfwuU5ASKOqb5rw== X-Received: by 2002:ac2:5978:: with SMTP id h24mr2648140lfp.232.1623415969697; Fri, 11 Jun 2021 05:52:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from jonathartonsmbp.lan (178-55-194-130.bb.dnainternet.fi. [178.55.194.130]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id d22sm710646ljc.55.2021.06.11.05.52.48 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-ECDSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Fri, 11 Jun 2021 05:52:49 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.5 \(3445.9.7\)) From: Jonathan Morton In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2021 15:52:47 +0300 Cc: "De Schepper, Koen (Nokia - BE/Antwerp)" , TSVWG Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <4D72E5C0-6EA6-4C90-9CD2-A94201806B22@gmx.de> To: Sebastian Moeller X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.9.7) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [tsvwg] Question regarding slide 3 of https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/106/materials/slides-106-tsvwg-sessb-31-tcp-prague-status-of-implementation-and-evaluation-00#page=3 X-BeenThere: tsvwg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Transport Area Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2021 12:53:01 -0000 > On 11 Jun, 2021, at 1:38 pm, Sebastian Moeller = wrote: >=20 > As far as I understand ethernet, a packet is always send at the = negotiated link rate, and shaper basically control how many = packets/bytes per unit of time they admit, so the link itself will = always either be 100% loaded or idle> I guess what I should ask, what do = you mean with smoothly shaped or what would be a link layer you want to = differentiate against here? I think what he means is that switched Ethernet does not aggregate or = burst packets, and doesn't have a MAC grant delay. This makes it close = to an ideal packet delivery system. - Jonathan Morton=