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Re: [tsvwg] RDMA Support by UDP FRAG Option

"Rodney W. Grimes" <ietf@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net> Sun, 20 June 2021 13:06 UTC

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From: "Rodney W. Grimes" <ietf@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net>
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To: Joseph Touch <touch@strayalpha.com>
Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2021 06:06:13 -0700
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Subject: Re: [tsvwg] RDMA Support by UDP FRAG Option
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> 
> > On Jun 19, 2021, at 3:07 PM, Tom Herbert <tom@herbertland.com> wrote:
> > 
> > Joe,
> > 
> > A nice thing about an open source project like Linux is that anyone who thinks there's a bug they can submit a patch and it will be accepted *if* you can justify the patch to the maintainers. 
> 
> And the bad thing is that they take lots of erroneous stuff too.

And a further worse thing, especially with mind sets that made the
above statement, is that Linux defines the internet protocols,
not the IETF if one allows the above argument to be the norm.

> The point is not whether those bugs exist or any of us need to care, it?s that they do not dicate our protocol designs.

Sadly that has become a reality, I often run into the mentality
of "well how does Linux do it" as the golden standard, and not
"how do the specs say to do it."

> Bugs are bugs.
Yes, and left unaddressed and uncorrected are leading to some
very real world problems in protocol developement.

> Joe
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Rod Grimes                                                 rgrimes@freebsd.org

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