Re: [tsvwg] RDMA Support by UDP FRAG Option
Tom Herbert <tom@herbertland.com> Sun, 20 June 2021 17:52 UTC
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From: Tom Herbert <tom@herbertland.com>
Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2021 10:51:48 -0700
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Subject: Re: [tsvwg] RDMA Support by UDP FRAG Option
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On Sun, Jun 20, 2021 at 10:01 AM Joseph Touch <touch@strayalpha.com> wrote: > > > > On Jun 20, 2021, at 9:41 AM, Tom Herbert <tom@herbertland.com> wrote: > > > > On Sat, Jun 19, 2021 at 9:57 PM Joseph Touch <touch@strayalpha.com> wrote: > >> ... > >> Bugs are bugs. > >> > > > > Joe, > > > > All of this grandstanding and Linux bashing aside, technical issues > > concerning UDP options are being raised that may be detrimental to the > > running implementation or deployability of the protocol. I believe > > these issues warrant a better answer than just calling them > > implementation bugs and otherwise ignoring them. > > The only technical issue shown so far is in the *assumptions* about UDP, not in UDP itself. > > If there is a technical issue *in UDP*, then prove it. Nope, that's not how it works. As an author of the draft the impetus is on you to demonstrate the robustness of the protocol and feasibility of implementation and deployment. As I don't believe further discussion on this would be productive, I'll defer to the WG as to whether the authors have sufficiently addressed comments made on the list. Tom > > Joe
- [tsvwg] A counterproposal to Section 5.5 of draft… C. M. Heard
- Re: [tsvwg] A counterproposal to Section 5.5 of d… Joseph Touch
- Re: [tsvwg] A counterproposal to Section 5.5 of d… C. M. Heard
- [tsvwg] RDMA Support by UDP FRAG Option C. M. Heard
- Re: [tsvwg] RDMA Support by UDP FRAG Option Joseph Touch
- Re: [tsvwg] RDMA Support by UDP FRAG Option Tom Herbert
- Re: [tsvwg] RDMA Support by UDP FRAG Option Joseph Touch
- Re: [tsvwg] RDMA Support by UDP FRAG Option Tom Herbert
- Re: [tsvwg] RDMA Support by UDP FRAG Option C. M. Heard
- Re: [tsvwg] RDMA Support by UDP FRAG Option Gorry Fairhurst
- Re: [tsvwg] RDMA Support by UDP FRAG Option Tom Herbert
- Re: [tsvwg] RDMA Support by UDP FRAG Option Gorry Fairhurst
- Re: [tsvwg] RDMA Support by UDP FRAG Option Joseph Touch
- Re: [tsvwg] RDMA Support by UDP FRAG Option Tom Herbert
- Re: [tsvwg] RDMA Support by UDP FRAG Option Joe Touch
- Re: [tsvwg] RDMA Support by UDP FRAG Option Tom Herbert
- Re: [tsvwg] RDMA Support by UDP FRAG Option C. M. Heard
- Re: [tsvwg] RDMA Support by UDP FRAG Option Joe Touch
- Re: [tsvwg] RDMA Support by UDP FRAG Option Tom Herbert
- Re: [tsvwg] RDMA Support by UDP FRAG Option C. M. Heard
- Re: [tsvwg] RDMA Support by UDP FRAG Option Tom Herbert
- Re: [tsvwg] RDMA Support by UDP FRAG Option Joseph Touch
- Re: [tsvwg] RDMA Support by UDP FRAG Option Tom Herbert
- Re: [tsvwg] RDMA Support by UDP FRAG Option Joseph Touch
- Re: [tsvwg] RDMA Support by UDP FRAG Option Tom Herbert
- Re: [tsvwg] RDMA Support by UDP FRAG Option C. M. Heard
- Re: [tsvwg] RDMA Support by UDP FRAG Option Tom Herbert
- Re: [tsvwg] RDMA Support by UDP FRAG Option Joseph Touch
- [tsvwg] incorrectly coalesce packets [was: Re: RD… Rodney W. Grimes
- Re: [tsvwg] RDMA Support by UDP FRAG Option Rodney W. Grimes
- Re: [tsvwg] RDMA Support by UDP FRAG Option Tom Herbert
- Re: [tsvwg] RDMA Support by UDP FRAG Option Joseph Touch
- Re: [tsvwg] RDMA Support by UDP FRAG Option Tom Herbert
- Re: [tsvwg] RDMA Support by UDP FRAG Option Joseph Touch
- Re: [tsvwg] RDMA Support by UDP FRAG Option C. M. Heard
- Re: [tsvwg] incorrectly coalesce packets [was: Re… Joseph Touch
- Re: [tsvwg] RDMA Support by UDP FRAG Option Tom Herbert
- Re: [tsvwg] RDMA Support by UDP FRAG Option Joseph Touch
- Re: [tsvwg] RDMA Support by UDP FRAG Option Tom Herbert
- Re: [tsvwg] RDMA Support by UDP FRAG Option Joseph Touch
- Re: [tsvwg] RDMA Support by UDP FRAG Option Tom Herbert
- Re: [tsvwg] RDMA Support by UDP FRAG Option Joseph Touch
- Re: [tsvwg] RDMA Support by UDP FRAG Option Tom Herbert
- Re: [tsvwg] RDMA Support by UDP FRAG Option Joseph Touch
- Re: [tsvwg] RDMA Support by UDP FRAG Option Tom Herbert
- Re: [tsvwg] RDMA Support by UDP FRAG Option C. M. Heard
- Re: [tsvwg] RDMA Support by UDP FRAG Option C. M. Heard
- Re: [tsvwg] RDMA Support by UDP FRAG Option Tom Herbert
- Re: [tsvwg] RDMA Support by UDP FRAG Option C. M. Heard
- Re: [tsvwg] RDMA Support by UDP FRAG Option Joe Touch
- Re: [tsvwg] RDMA Support by UDP FRAG Option Joe Touch
- Re: [tsvwg] RDMA Support by UDP FRAG Option Tom Herbert
- Re: [tsvwg] RDMA Support by UDP FRAG Option C. M. Heard
- Re: [tsvwg] RDMA Support by UDP FRAG Option Joe Touch
- Re: [tsvwg] RDMA Support by UDP FRAG Option Joseph Touch
- Re: [tsvwg] RDMA Support by UDP FRAG Option C. M. Heard
- Re: [tsvwg] RDMA Support by UDP FRAG Option Joseph Touch