Re: [tsvwg] [iccrg] IETF104 ICCRG TCP Prague presentation

Jonathan Morton <chromatix99@gmail.com> Thu, 04 April 2019 15:43 UTC

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From: Jonathan Morton <chromatix99@gmail.com>
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Date: Thu, 04 Apr 2019 18:43:17 +0300
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Subject: Re: [tsvwg] [iccrg] IETF104 ICCRG TCP Prague presentation
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> On 4 Apr, 2019, at 6:37 pm, Greg White <g.white@CableLabs.com> wrote:
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> My concern is that the SCE sender gets *zero* benefit from supporting SCE signaling unless the bottleneck link is an FQ link.

Our early results suggest otherwise.  However, I would like to flesh them out before further detailed discussion.

 - Jonathan Morton