Re: [tsvwg] SCE / L4S and fragmentation
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From: "Black, David" <David.Black@dell.com>
To: Bob Briscoe <ietf@bobbriscoe.net>, Jonathan Morton <chromatix99@gmail.com>
CC: "tsvwg@ietf.org" <tsvwg@ietf.org>, "Black, David" <David.Black@dell.com>
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Subject: Re: [tsvwg] SCE / L4S and fragmentation
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Internal Use - Confidential > > However, the -10 revision (which appears to be current) still contains the > > section and some language covering fragmentation and reassembly. To be > > consistent with this approach, you need to update it to simply refer to RFC-3168 > > for the relevant semantics. Then I think it will be possible to make progress. > I am waiting for David on that. After his email asking me to reaffirm > RFC3168 behaviour in ecn-encap and rfc6040update-shim, I said I'd rather > just say fragmentation is out of scope. So I'm waiting for David's > response as doc shepherd before I commit any changes to the draft. I've sent that response in a separate email thread entitled "Fragmentation & ECN encapsulation drafts, one more try" - please refer to that thread. I will summarize an important reminder from that thread here, just in case it's been overlooked: Note to the wise: A wise WG participant will review draft-ietf-intarea-frag-fragile before responding to this note to the wise (hint) - see https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-intarea-frag-fragile/ . That draft is IESG-approved to become a BCP (Best Current Practice), and is currently in the RFC Editor Queue. Thanks, --David > -----Original Message----- > From: Bob Briscoe <ietf@bobbriscoe.net> > Sent: Monday, March 16, 2020 4:51 AM > To: Jonathan Morton; Black, David > Cc: tsvwg@ietf.org > Subject: Re: SCE / L4S and fragmentation > > > [EXTERNAL EMAIL] > > Jonathan, [David, this one's for you too] > > On 15/03/2020 23:35, Jonathan Morton wrote: > > Isolating one key point: > > > >> On 15 Mar, 2020, at 8:14 pm, Bob Briscoe <ietf@bobbriscoe.net> wrote: > >> > >> I (and David Black) have argued that a separate draft is needed to update > fragment reassembly in RFC3168. Can you please accept that we are not going > to update ECN fragmentation and reassembly in rfc6040update-shim. Then it > can unblock and be published. > >> > >> rfc6040update-shim is meant to be about encap and decap. It would allow > this draft to become unstuck if it just said fragmentation and re-assembly is out > of scope (which it is). > > I have said several times in the past few days that I agree with that approach, > and I'm sure David Black is well aware of that. > > > > However, the -10 revision (which appears to be current) still contains the > section and some language covering fragmentation and reassembly. To be > consistent with this approach, you need to update it to simply refer to RFC-3168 > for the relevant semantics. Then I think it will be possible to make progress. > I am waiting for David on that. After his email asking me to reaffirm > RFC3168 behaviour in ecn-encap and rfc6040update-shim, I said I'd rather > just say fragmentation is out of scope. So I'm waiting for David's > response as doc shepherd before I commit any changes to the draft. > > > Bob > > > > We can discuss separately what, if anything, should be done to RFC-3168 on > this topic. > > > > - Jonathan Morton > > > > -- > ________________________________________________________________ > Bob Briscoe http://bobbriscoe.net/
- [tsvwg] Status of ECN encapsulation drafts (i.e.,… Black, David
- Re: [tsvwg] Status of ECN encapsulation drafts (i… Bob Briscoe
- Re: [tsvwg] Status of ECN encapsulation drafts (i… Black, David
- Re: [tsvwg] Status of ECN encapsulation drafts (i… Jonathan Morton
- Re: [tsvwg] Status of ECN encapsulation drafts (i… Jonathan Morton
- Re: [tsvwg] Status of ECN encapsulation drafts (i… Bob Briscoe
- Re: [tsvwg] Status of ECN encapsulation drafts (i… Bob Briscoe
- Re: [tsvwg] Status of ECN encapsulation drafts (i… Jonathan Morton
- [tsvwg] SCE / L4S and fragmentation (was: Status … Bob Briscoe
- Re: [tsvwg] Status of ECN encapsulation drafts (i… Bob Briscoe
- Re: [tsvwg] Status of ECN encapsulation drafts (i… Jonathan Morton
- Re: [tsvwg] Status of ECN encapsulation drafts (i… Holland, Jake
- Re: [tsvwg] Status of ECN encapsulation drafts (i… Bob Briscoe
- Re: [tsvwg] Status of ECN encapsulation drafts (i… Bob Briscoe
- Re: [tsvwg] Status of ECN encapsulation drafts (i… Jonathan Morton
- Re: [tsvwg] Status of ECN encapsulation drafts (i… Bob Briscoe
- Re: [tsvwg] Status of ECN encapsulation drafts (i… Jonathan Morton
- Re: [tsvwg] Status of ECN encapsulation drafts (i… Bob Briscoe
- Re: [tsvwg] Status of ECN encapsulation drafts (i… Holland, Jake
- Re: [tsvwg] Status of ECN encapsulation drafts (i… Jonathan Morton
- Re: [tsvwg] Status of ECN encapsulation drafts (i… Holland, Jake
- Re: [tsvwg] SCE / L4S and fragmentation (was: Sta… Jonathan Morton
- Re: [tsvwg] Status of ECN encapsulation drafts (i… Jonathan Morton
- Re: [tsvwg] Status of ECN encapsulation drafts (i… Sebastian Moeller
- Re: [tsvwg] Status of ECN encapsulation drafts (i… Bob Briscoe
- Re: [tsvwg] Status of ECN encapsulation drafts (i… Rodney W. Grimes
- Re: [tsvwg] Status of ECN encapsulation drafts (i… Bob Briscoe
- Re: [tsvwg] Status of ECN encapsulation drafts (i… Sebastian Moeller
- Re: [tsvwg] Status of ECN encapsulation drafts (i… Bob Briscoe
- Re: [tsvwg] Status of ECN encapsulation drafts (i… Bob Briscoe
- Re: [tsvwg] SCE / L4S and fragmentation Bob Briscoe
- Re: [tsvwg] SCE / L4S and fragmentation Jonathan Morton
- Re: [tsvwg] Status of ECN encapsulation drafts (i… Rodney W. Grimes
- Re: [tsvwg] SCE / L4S and fragmentation Bob Briscoe
- Re: [tsvwg] Status of ECN encapsulation drafts (i… Joseph Touch
- Re: [tsvwg] Status of ECN encapsulation drafts (i… Joseph Touch
- Re: [tsvwg] SCE / L4S and fragmentation Jonathan Morton
- Re: [tsvwg] Status of ECN encapsulation drafts (i… Bob Briscoe
- Re: [tsvwg] SCE / L4S and fragmentation Bob Briscoe
- Re: [tsvwg] Status of ECN encapsulation drafts (i… Sebastian Moeller
- Re: [tsvwg] Status of ECN encapsulation drafts (i… Sebastian Moeller
- Re: [tsvwg] SCE / L4S and fragmentation Sebastian Moeller
- Re: [tsvwg] Status of ECN encapsulation drafts (i… Jonathan Morton
- Re: [tsvwg] SCE / L4S and fragmentation Wesley Eddy
- Re: [tsvwg] Status of ECN encapsulation drafts (i… Joseph Touch
- Re: [tsvwg] Status of ECN encapsulation drafts (i… Joseph Touch
- Re: [tsvwg] Status of ECN encapsulation drafts (i… Joseph Touch
- Re: [tsvwg] Status of ECN encapsulation drafts (i… Rodney W. Grimes
- Re: [tsvwg] Status of ECN encapsulation drafts (i… Joseph Touch
- Re: [tsvwg] Status of ECN encapsulation drafts (i… Jonathan Morton
- Re: [tsvwg] Status of ECN encapsulation drafts (i… Joseph Touch
- Re: [tsvwg] Status of ECN encapsulation drafts (i… Rodney W. Grimes
- Re: [tsvwg] Status of ECN encapsulation drafts (i… Joseph Touch
- Re: [tsvwg] Status of ECN encapsulation drafts (i… Rodney W. Grimes
- Re: [tsvwg] Status of ECN encapsulation drafts (i… Joe Touch
- Re: [tsvwg] Status of ECN encapsulation drafts (i… John Leslie
- Re: [tsvwg] Status of ECN encapsulation drafts (i… Holland, Jake
- Re: [tsvwg] SCE / L4S and fragmentation Black, David