Re: [tsvwg] RDMA Support by UDP FRAG Option

Joseph Touch <touch@strayalpha.com> Sun, 20 June 2021 17:01 UTC

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From: Joseph Touch <touch@strayalpha.com>
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Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2021 10:01:18 -0700
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Subject: Re: [tsvwg] RDMA Support by UDP FRAG Option
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> On Jun 20, 2021, at 9:41 AM, Tom Herbert <tom@herbertland.com> wrote:
> 
> On Sat, Jun 19, 2021 at 9:57 PM Joseph Touch <touch@strayalpha.com> wrote:
>> ...
>> Bugs are bugs.
>> 
> 
> Joe,
> 
> All of this grandstanding and Linux bashing aside, technical issues
> concerning UDP options are being raised that may be detrimental to the
> running implementation or deployability of the protocol. I believe
> these issues warrant a better answer than just calling them
> implementation bugs and otherwise ignoring them.

The only technical issue shown so far is in the *assumptions* about UDP, not in UDP itself.

If there is a technical issue *in UDP*, then prove it.

Joe