Re: [tsvwg] new tests of L4S RTT fairness and intra-flow latency
Lars Eggert <lars@eggert.org> Tue, 17 November 2020 08:15 UTC
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Subject: Re: [tsvwg] new tests of L4S RTT fairness and intra-flow latency
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Hi, On 2020-11-16, at 23:13, Jonathan Morton <chromatix99@gmail.com> wrote: > It's not running code until it actually *is* implemented, and we can run tests showing whether it actually works or not. We should not need to change default settings in order to show safety in common network topologies. It must also be documented in such a way that future implementors are likely to produce a similarly high quality result. > > Frankly, it is not a very high bar we're holding up here. FWIW, I agree with Jonathan here. Independent verification of experimental results is an essential part of the scientific process in general. And for TCP in particular, it was used to great effect during the "highspeed TCP wars" of the early 2000s, when the proponents of BIC/CUBIC, Compound TCP, HSTCP, etc. all tried to recreate each others experiments and results. Many bugs and unstated assumptions were identified as a result, and the individual algorithms all benefitted immensely. I'm hoping that we can use this approach to make progress in this (apparently endless) debate, as well. A reference implementation for a standards proposal therefore really needs to implement that proposal accurately and in its latest instantiation. And if the code requires parameterization (esp. scenario-specific parameterization) beyond what the spec describes, then either the code or the spec are incomplete. Thanks, Lars
- [tsvwg] new tests of L4S RTT fairness and intra-f… Pete Heist
- Re: [tsvwg] new tests of L4S RTT fairness and int… Sebastian Moeller
- Re: [tsvwg] new tests of L4S RTT fairness and int… Black, David
- Re: [tsvwg] new tests of L4S RTT fairness and int… Sebastian Moeller
- Re: [tsvwg] new tests of L4S RTT fairness and int… Pete Heist
- Re: [tsvwg] new tests of L4S RTT fairness and int… Sebastian Moeller
- Re: [tsvwg] new tests of L4S RTT fairness and int… alex.burr@ealdwulf.org.uk
- Re: [tsvwg] new tests of L4S RTT fairness and int… Jonathan Morton
- Re: [tsvwg] new tests of L4S RTT fairness and int… Jonathan Morton
- Re: [tsvwg] new tests of L4S RTT fairness and int… De Schepper, Koen (Nokia - BE/Antwerp)
- Re: [tsvwg] new tests of L4S RTT fairness and int… Jonathan Morton
- Re: [tsvwg] new tests of L4S RTT fairness and int… Sebastian Moeller
- Re: [tsvwg] new tests of L4S RTT fairness and int… De Schepper, Koen (Nokia - BE/Antwerp)
- Re: [tsvwg] new tests of L4S RTT fairness and int… Sebastian Moeller
- Re: [tsvwg] new tests of L4S RTT fairness and int… Lars Eggert
- Re: [tsvwg] new tests of L4S RTT fairness and int… Ingemar Johansson S
- Re: [tsvwg] new tests of L4S RTT fairness and int… Lars Eggert
- Re: [tsvwg] new tests of L4S RTT fairness and int… Ingemar Johansson S
- Re: [tsvwg] new tests of L4S RTT fairness and int… Sebastian Moeller
- Re: [tsvwg] new tests of L4S RTT fairness and int… Lars Eggert
- Re: [tsvwg] new tests of L4S RTT fairness and int… Sebastian Moeller
- Re: [tsvwg] new tests of L4S RTT fairness and int… Ingemar Johansson S
- Re: [tsvwg] new tests of L4S RTT fairness and int… Pete Heist