[tsvwg] Re: Deb Cooley's Discuss on draft-ietf-tsvwg-sctp-zero-checksum-10: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

Deb Cooley <debcooley1@gmail.com> Tue, 11 June 2024 18:19 UTC

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From: Deb Cooley <debcooley1@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2024 14:18:37 -0400
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Subject: [tsvwg] Re: Deb Cooley's Discuss on draft-ietf-tsvwg-sctp-zero-checksum-10: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)
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I'm certainly not arguing that CRC32c is the best integrity mechanism ever,
because it isn't.  This draft has basically allowed its removal because
there is something better protecting the integrity of the data.  There
needs to be something written in the Security Considerations about that.
Even if it is to reference the requirements in Section 3 with a short
rationale.  Or it can reference the part of the IANA section where the
requirements are listed, again with a short rationale.  It doesn't have to
be long, and it can reference the requirements you already specified.

An aside:  As for tunnels vs auth modes, is it even possible to meet the
two requirements with an authentication mode, where the packet is not
obscured from any device between sender and recipient?  I suspect that the
answer is 'no'.

Deb



On Fri, Jun 7, 2024 at 5:02 PM Michael Tuexen <
michael.tuexen@lurchi.franken.de> wrote:

> > On 7. Jun 2024, at 20:47, Deb Cooley <debcooley1@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Are the only two options DTLS or SCTP AUTH?  If so, the draft doesn't
> make
> > that clear.
> The only option currently being defined is SCTP over DTLS. One additional
> could be based on SCTP AUTH, but that will require additional details for
> dealing with middleboxes expecting correct CRC32c checksums. This is
> described in the document. Other additional method could be based on the
> DTLS or CRYPTO chunk, currently being proposed by Ericsson. However, these
> would also need some mechanisms to deal with middleboxes.
> Since these mechanisms are not required for SCTP over DTLS (the middleboxes
> don't see the CRC32c at all), and this might be the largest deployment
> scenario (WebRTC), this is left to the document describing such an
> alternate error detection method.
>
> Best regards
> Michael
> >
> > Deb
> >
> > On Fri, Jun 7, 2024 at 1:28 PM Michael Tuexen <
> > michael.tuexen@lurchi.franken.de> wrote:
> >
> >>> On 7. Jun 2024, at 16:58, Deb Cooley via Datatracker <noreply@ietf.org
> >
> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Deb Cooley has entered the following ballot position for
> >>> draft-ietf-tsvwg-sctp-zero-checksum-10: Discuss
> >> Hi Deb,
> >>
> >> thanks for the review. Please see my responses in-line.
> >>
> >> Best regards
> >> Michael
> >>>
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> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>> DISCUSS:
> >>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>>
> >>> Currently Section 9 says roughly that there are no changes to the
> >> Security
> >>> Considerations to RFC 9260.  I have two comments:
> >>>
> >>> 1.  Since this draft is proposing to remove an integrity mechanism in
> >> SCTP,
> >>> there should be an update to the paragraph in RFC9260 Security
> >> Considerations,
> >>> specifically 12.2.2.  Protecting against Data Corruption in the Network
>
>
>