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[tsvwg] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: [gwhiteCL/NQBdraft] Should traffic protection be mandatory to implement? (Issue #48)

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From: "Livingood, Jason" <jason_livingood@comcast.com>
To: Sebastian Moeller <moeller0=40gmx.de@dmarc.ietf.org>, "Overcash, Michael (CCI-Atlanta)" <michael.overcash=40cox.com@dmarc.ietf.org>, "tsvwg@ietf.org" <tsvwg@ietf.org>, "Black, David" <David.Black@dell.com>, gwhiteCL/NQBdraft <reply+AB2VULW2XRH6MPK23ABRZQOEVLRFREVBNHHI5USV5Y@reply.github.com>, gwhiteCL/NQBdraft <NQBdraft@noreply.github.com>
Thread-Topic: [tsvwg] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: [gwhiteCL/NQBdraft] Should traffic protection be mandatory to implement? (Issue #48)
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>>Abuse needs an incentive. Can anyone think of a way to abuse L4S that provides a benefit to the abuser? (Other than the intended benefit of improved latency of course.)/

> [SM] For a single flow getting access to (by default) 80% of link capacity as reward for ignoring CE marks is IMHO a pretty clear benefit...

[JL] Wouldn't this application behaviour be readily identifiable? Also, if the app in question is queue building, ISTM that marking for NQB with a shallow buffer would not improve your app QoE.

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