Re: [tsvwg] path forward on L4S issue #16

[Spencer Dawkins at IETF <[e-mail]>]

For what it's worth ...

On Wed, Jun 10, 2020 at 3:05 PM Sebastian Moeller <[e-mail]> wrote:

> Hi Ingemar,
>
> more below in-line.
>
> > On Jun 10, 2020, at 19:15, Ingemar Johansson S <
> [e-mail]> wrote:
>

snipped down to


> > 1) Do you have any public sources that confirm the numbers you quote
> below
> > ?. I tried to look up data on this but it surely is not easy.
>
>         [SM] I do not know where Jonathan's numbers come from. But
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/98/materials/slides-98-maprg-tcp-ecn-experience-with-enabling-ecn-on-the-internet-padma-bhooma-00
> has some numbers from Apple, I believe Bob cited these numbers multiple
> times in the past.
> Given the fact that 3gpp contains quite a lot of large carriers maybe that
> would be a forum to ask for numbers?
>

I have my suspicions about the likelihood of getting numbers from 3GPP
carriers, but I note that the 3GPP-IETF coordination team is becoming more
active. If someone wants to ask formally, I suppose sending a liaison
statement to 3GPP before the 3GPP plenary meetings in July would be one way
to do that.

If TSVWG thinks that's attractive, I believe the TSVWG co-chairs know more
about that process than I do, so I'll let them take it from here.

Most of my experience with asking for information like this from wireless
operators was actually with GSMA, not 3GPP itself, during and after the IAB
MARNEW workshop (https://www.iab.org/activities/workshops/marnew/ ) in
2015, and my understanding was that operators weren't willing to disclose
operational measurements to other operators, let along anyone else, because
of concerns that competitors would use that information to attract
customers away from the disclosing operator.

But maybe this could end differently in 2020.

Best,

Spencer