Re: [tsvwg] Re draft-kuhn-tsvwg-careful-resume-00
Nicolas Kuhn <nicolas.kuhn.ietf@gmail.com> Fri, 24 March 2023 16:02 UTC
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From: Nicolas Kuhn <nicolas.kuhn.ietf@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2023 17:02:22 +0100
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Subject: Re: [tsvwg] Re draft-kuhn-tsvwg-careful-resume-00
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Hi, Sorry for my late reply. Thank you so much for your comments and questions. I have added everything as issues in the GITHUB repo to not lose track of how the questions have been reflected in the document updates. https://github.com/NicoKos/resume_connection I have already fixed the various nits. Kind regards, Nico On Wed, Mar 15, 2023 at 7:05 PM Border, John <John.Border@hughes.com> wrote: > > > I think we need little bit of discussion around the fact that RTT and > BB can also vary during a connection, especially a long-lived connection, > not just from one connection to the next. Therefore, the saved RTT and BB > values should be the RTT and BB near the end of the connection rather than > earlier in the connection. This might require that the values be save (and > possibly sent in a BDP_FRAME) multiple times as things change. > > > NK : Indeed. The values should be dynamics and may change during the connection. This should be discussed in the draft. > In Section 3, when I got to the Retreat Phase description, I paused > because it seemed like more is needed. I later found that more in Section > 4.5. I think it would be helpful, for all of the phases, to put pointers > to the sections which have more discussion about them. (Or maybe a blanket > pointer to Section 4 for more details at the front of Section 3.) > NK : We need to improve that in the document to have a clear separation between the description of the phases and the proposed guidelines and requirements. Thank for spotting this! > > > Re Section 4.4 and Section 4.4.1… I think half of the capacity should > be a good choice (although I am still thinking about it). (Might need to > be variable based upon some to be defined criteria.) But it probably needs > to take into account the capacity when compared to the IW. > NK : How safe should we be in the retreat phase ? We may want to discuss it but wanted to be "very" safe in the current version of the draft as the server just identified that something has changed in the path. > > > > > John > > > > > > > > Minor comments and nits… > > > > In the second sentence of the third paragraph of the Abstract… “allowing > then to” should be “allowing them to”. > > > > In the first sentence of the Introduction… “there” should be “their”. > > > > Re Section 1.2… > > In the second sentence, delete the duplicate “could”. > > Add “is different” to the first clause of Example 1. > > > > In the first sentence of Section 1.3… “secion" should be “section”. > > > > In Section 1.3.1… Mention that this is a GEO satellite example. Might be > useful to explicitly state that the difference is the longer slow start > time without the method. > > > > Re Section 3… > > In the first sentence, remove the first occurrence of the word “through” > and change “uit” to “it”. > > In the last sentence for the Observe Phase description, delete the word > “are”. > > In the Reconnaissance Phase description, “currnetly" should be “currently” > and “iniial” should be “initial”. And, the sentence “The sender is send > iniial [sic] data, limited by the Initial Window.” needs rephrasing. > > In the second sentence of the Unvalidated Phase description, “This phase a > rate…” should be “This phase allows a rate…” (or something like that). > > In the third sentence of the Retreat Phase description, “re-initialised” > should be “re-initialise”. > > > > In the title of Section 4.1, “Determing” should be “Determining”. > > > > In the first sentence of Section 4.3, “irelevant" should be “irrelevant”. > > > > In the third bullet of Section A.1, “it should an interface…” should be > “it should include an interface…”. Except, the last statement of the third > point about what the sender should ensure re the Endpoint Token indicates > the “should” should be a “must”. > > > > > > >
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