Re: [tsvwg] New Version Notification for draft-daiya-tsvwg-udp-options-protocol-number-00.txt

Daiya Yuyama <> Sat, 22 July 2023 19:13 UTC

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Dear Nishida-san and Tom-san,

Thank you for your comment.

I understand that it is difficult for middleboxes to distinguish QUIC 
packets. I believe that with this proposal, the fact that the QUIC is 
encrypted will not be an issue.

The current proposal had some confusing parts where it was difficult to 
recognize whether the option was for the middlebox or the end host. This 
proposal is for end hosts, not for middleboxes; UDP options are 
described in Section 14 as intended to be used only by transport 
endpoints, and this proposal is also not intended to be used by 
middleboxes. This will be clearly stated in the next revision.

Thank you.


On 2023/07/20 23:35, Tom Herbert wrote:
> Hi Daiya-san,
> Many people don't want middleboxes meddling with*anything*  beyond the
> network layer!
> Besides that I'm not sure this is feasible, it would require
> middleboxes to process trailers which is not amenable to efficient
> implementation for a high performance implementation. Also, this type
> of marking could only be used with UDP and doesn't help with other
> protocols. You might want to look at
> draft-cc-v6ops-wlcg-flow-label-marking, it's a more generic solution
> that would work with any transport protocol.
> Tom