Re: [tsvwg] [OPSAWG] TSVWG WGLC: draft-ietf-tsvwg-transport-encrypt-08, closes 23 October 2019

"Joel M. Halpern" <jmh@joelhalpern.com> Tue, 05 November 2019 02:39 UTC

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Subject: Re: [tsvwg] [OPSAWG] TSVWG WGLC: draft-ietf-tsvwg-transport-encrypt-08, closes 23 October 2019
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If the authors want to publish it as an RFC so as to comment on other 
RFCs, they could approach the Independent Stream Editor.  That sort of 
publication is one of the explicit purposes of the Independent Stream.

Yours,
Joel

On 11/4/2019 9:34 PM, Eric Rescorla wrote:
> 
> 
> On Mon, Nov 4, 2019 at 5:44 PM Peter Gutmann <pgut001@cs.auckland.ac.nz 
> <mailto:pgut001@cs.auckland.ac.nz>> wrote:
> 
>     I actually think it's a pretty good summary, and delivers exactly what's
>     promised in the title.  OTOH I can also see that it's going to get
>     bikeshedded
>     to death, and will probably never be editable into a form where
>     people won't
>     complain about it no matter how many changes are made. 
>     Alternatively, it'll
>     end up watered down to a point where no-one can complain any more
>     but it won't
>     say anything terribly useful by then.
> 
>     Perhaps it could be published as is with a comment that it
>     represents the
>     opinions of the authors?  Although given that it's Informational and not
>     Standards-track or a BCP, that should be a given anyway.
> 
> 
> Actually, no. Most IETF documents, even informational ones, bear a 
> statement that they have IETF Consensus.
> 
> See: https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5741#section-3.2.1 
> <https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5741#section-3..2.1>
> 
> -Ekr
> 
> 
>     Peter.
> 
> 
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