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Re: [tsvwg] ECN as a classifier (was: L4S vs SCE)

Jonathan Morton <chromatix99@gmail.com> Tue, 31 December 2019 17:42 UTC

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From: Jonathan Morton <chromatix99@gmail.com>
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Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2019 19:42:29 +0200
Cc: Roland Bless <roland.bless@kit.edu>, "tsvwg@ietf.org" <tsvwg@ietf.org>, "tsvwg-chairs@ietf.org" <tsvwg-chairs@ietf.org>
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Subject: Re: [tsvwg] ECN as a classifier (was: L4S vs SCE)
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> On 31 Dec, 2019, at 6:55 pm, Bob Briscoe <ietf@bobbriscoe.net> wrote:
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> However, the original RFC3168 ECN architecture (that is incompatible with SCE) remains and will remain more widely supported in the Internet, probably for decades. Indeed, even today, the RFCs to make that change to all encapsulations (not just IP-in-IP tunnels) are not past the WG stage yet.
> 
> Tunnels and encapsulations are everywhere. Jonathan M says it doesn't matter if the SCE signal gets black-holed in tunnels and encapsulations.

It's not that it doesn't matter at all - erasing the SCE signal would degrade the behaviour to RFC-3168 standard.  But that's an acceptable fallback position which allows for incremental deployment, even before all the tunnels are upgraded to the new standard.

Thus the existing RFC-3168 compliant architecture is *not* incompatible with SCE as you claim.  So please don't claim that, when it isn't true.

 - Jonathan Morton

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