Re: [tsvwg] feedback and thoughts L4S / SCE

Jonathan Morton <chromatix99@gmail.com> Sat, 28 November 2020 16:43 UTC

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From: Jonathan Morton <chromatix99@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [tsvwg] feedback and thoughts L4S / SCE
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> On 28 Nov, 2020, at 6:24 pm, Mikael Abrahamsson <swmike@swm.pp.se> wrote:
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>> Take a random sampling of CPE devices, and see how many of them use the above - or it might be easier to count the ones that don't.  I'll wait.
> 
> My ubiquiti APs come with it, but it's default turned off.
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> It's not only important of the devices have the capability, it also needs to be default turned on so it's actually used (considering most people don't change config much).

In that respect, I believe Ubiquiti are in a definite minority.  This is a feature that you have to actively disable in the stock kernel if you don't want it.  I've heard that Ubiquiti tend to use a rather old kernel for, you guessed it, reasons of hardware vendor intransigence regarding open-source support.

As a direct counterpoint, I'll point to TP-Link as a vendor who actively advertises Airtime Fairness as a feature on many of their current products, and not buried in the gritty details of cryptic standards-compliance nomenclature, but as a bullet point on the slick slideshow that consumers are presented with.

 - Jonathan Morton