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Re: [tsvwg] Deprecating RFC 3168 for future ECN experimentation

Jonathan Morton <chromatix99@gmail.com> Fri, 26 March 2021 17:05 UTC

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From: Jonathan Morton <chromatix99@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [tsvwg] Deprecating RFC 3168 for future ECN experimentation
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> On 26 Mar, 2021, at 7:01 pm, Steven Blake <slblake@petri-meat.com> wrote:
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> Now, *if it is not WG consensus* that any existing RFC 3168 ECN
> deployments can be safely ignored, then I *strongly urge* the WG *to
> not adopt* experimental proposals that place burden and/or risk on
> networks that have deployed it.

As is probably no surprise, the above is the position I support.

 - Jonathan Morton

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