Re: [tsvwg] [Dots] Best transport selection during an attack?
Paul Ferguson <fergdawgster@mykolab.com> Thu, 05 November 2015 14:25 UTC
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Subject: Re: [tsvwg] [Dots] Best transport selection during an attack?
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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 On 11/5/2015 3:27 AM, Roland Dobbins wrote: >> If the DOTS server is connected to a different provider than >> DOTS client, then this is a "remote access". Is the provider >> terminating the DOTS client access part of the DDoS defense >> system or may this provider be agnostic to all that? > > The main issue is intervening networks. > >> If the latter is true plain provider IP service is my expectation >> and then QoS transport between client and server is a challenge. > > Yes, that's correct (along with the administrative and > internal-political challenges operators may face even when they're > directly topologically adjacent to the requesting organization's > network). Correct. And that is the big problem with QoS/diffserv packet marking: Once a packet leaves your network and your administrative control, no one has to honor your packet markings (QoS). All bets are off. - - ferg - -- Paul Ferguson PGP Public Key ID: 0x54DC85B2 Key fingerprint: 19EC 2945 FEE8 D6C8 58A1 CE53 2896 AC75 54DC 85B2 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iF4EAREIAAYFAlY7ZtcACgkQKJasdVTchbLdhwD/Rmjk2H1fUperSsoDhk7TkeOS RINC2V3ooD9+BkLdnoEA/2KirmljqYeyS/Pr+fhVBoPp1ChfT5WcELuIZJENdkzI =0jkt -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
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