Re: [tsvwg] Follow-up to your DSCP and ECN codepoint comments at tsvwg interim
Wesley Eddy <wes@mti-systems.com> Wed, 11 March 2020 15:50 UTC
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Subject: Re: [tsvwg] Follow-up to your DSCP and ECN codepoint comments at tsvwg interim
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On 3/9/2020 4:10 AM, Sebastian Moeller wrote: > QUESTION @Chairs: What are the conditions and aims for the TSVW WG in deciding to grant an RFC like L4S experimental status? I would love to get a clarification please. There are 3 chairs, and I only speak for 1, but the bottom-line is simply "WG rough consensus" (decently described in RFC 7282). Beyond that, I don't think we are adding or removing any explicit criteria. The RFCs on congestion control evaluation cover things that have traditionally been of interest/concern to the community in developing consensus that technologies were safe enough for experimental deployment on the Internet. In the case of the technologies that are proposing to use ECT(1) for experiments today, I don't think this is any different. As a chair, when sending to the IESG for recommended publication, I also want to see that: (1) There is wide interest in deploying the technology. (2) The concerns with it are understood well enough to be considered by people deploying it, and they are aware of what they might want to measure or what means are possible to mitigate problems. Sometimes the "experiments" don't clearly succeed (global deployment) nor fail (nil deployment), but wind up very useful in some cases, and not of interest in others. In the case of ECT(1) (considered by itself without any DSCP-scoping), there probably should be some bit of a plan or analysis around what happens if the technology persists in pockets where it's useful, but doesn't have 100% deployment over the Internet. We will need to consider the status of the ECT(1) codepoint, and how it can be used in the future whether these experimental specs are successful (widely deployed), partially successful (deployed in pockets), or failed (not deployed, or found defective and eventually un-deployed).
- [tsvwg] Follow-up to your DSCP and ECN codepoint … Bob Briscoe
- Re: [tsvwg] Follow-up to your DSCP and ECN codepo… Sebastian Moeller
- Re: [tsvwg] Follow-up to your DSCP and ECN codepo… Jonathan Morton
- Re: [tsvwg] Follow-up to your DSCP and ECN codepo… Bob Briscoe
- Re: [tsvwg] Follow-up to your DSCP and ECN codepo… Bob Briscoe
- Re: [tsvwg] Follow-up to your DSCP and ECN codepo… Bob Briscoe
- Re: [tsvwg] Follow-up to your DSCP and ECN codepo… Sebastian Moeller
- Re: [tsvwg] Follow-up to your DSCP and ECN codepo… Bob Briscoe
- Re: [tsvwg] Follow-up to your DSCP and ECN codepo… Sebastian Moeller
- Re: [tsvwg] Follow-up to your DSCP and ECN codepo… Sebastian Moeller
- Re: [tsvwg] Follow-up to your DSCP and ECN codepo… Wesley Eddy
- Re: [tsvwg] Follow-up to your DSCP and ECN codepo… Sebastian Moeller
- Re: [tsvwg] Follow-up to your DSCP and ECN codepo… Lars Eggert
- Re: [tsvwg] Follow-up to your DSCP and ECN codepo… Jonathan Morton
- Re: [tsvwg] Follow-up to your DSCP and ECN codepo… Gorry Fairhurst
- Re: [tsvwg] Follow-up to your DSCP and ECN codepo… Jonathan Morton
- Re: [tsvwg] Follow-up to your DSCP and ECN codepo… alex.burr@ealdwulf.org.uk
- Re: [tsvwg] Follow-up to your DSCP and ECN codepo… Bob Briscoe
- Re: [tsvwg] Follow-up to your DSCP and ECN codepo… Bob Briscoe
- Re: [tsvwg] Follow-up to your DSCP and ECN codepo… Bob Briscoe
- Re: [tsvwg] Follow-up to your DSCP and ECN codepo… Sebastian Moeller
- Re: [tsvwg] Follow-up to your DSCP and ECN codepo… Jonathan Morton