Return-Path: X-Original-To: txauth@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: txauth@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 271243A0770 for ; Tue, 16 Jun 2020 10:09:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.096 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.096 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_FONT_LOW_CONTRAST=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vzRgq8sf_nMM for ; Tue, 16 Jun 2020 10:09:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-lj1-x236.google.com (mail-lj1-x236.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::236]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E6AB13A0765 for ; Tue, 16 Jun 2020 10:09:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-lj1-x236.google.com with SMTP id n23so24438239ljh.7 for ; Tue, 16 Jun 2020 10:09:12 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=ZrDctQg3IYt+vSB2pim69Ctz9xJWvkEJyakhPgnKvl8=; b=U1ER8bDcpqcdWlz9kMtQck1g8SRiRUZTpQP65QhKq+brg498KUT1A4kG1pmpdSp4TT pyC6v/0Z3Te0qjeXAn204cJJX9GDXFkh/4zeHQ9pRFRVFIs+la9wfE3kj+4Hhe9kMZUa 6rcDm8PlLDSkSeHZVoK+Oop7/kiNU40S8uK1HFk8dBqDlkt/f4HU03GFwwgR7wXa3Wfz WqhNR8F3CM+wETdfY06300/kuxUiLnQ9e50ljX2Cw9rbEJDQCukUrhRbGQ1UsdaMg56H UruNeEebSlv8otP03ao/rGrwjdEcZHul6F1y2E4XTCeh8TvNDIzm1ARvZhque9d/CpJi 7xPA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=ZrDctQg3IYt+vSB2pim69Ctz9xJWvkEJyakhPgnKvl8=; b=FvHrT4wxMqXPgUyo+pLr92JUGmuzu/YxCcwPR/63W8sruvfR205DEOP4XUWpmf5jYK 1W3o06S5taZV38CUVCwut7m4KaPzVa4HtS5jELuaFOEtMM3shc/oJXWr0VBDsmUW6RJU yOlTenshLpVVBHCjH2PcagNuSiKcKWUAoSh8iryhPAs8Qr09hizYaPbcH2vHQGPDjll3 lXImDwaK/q8CEqWj0jmflVBl9fbcXTwsbv6M3yJiN/JkXNcc/GyVCwsZdcTocpcYGiw1 ZoklTJLNxJZUJtKsDkQdMmihJdBJwOAmE9VlYHeTP1mgvAW9+HDcl9rGHmDZ35G4E/+A qGeQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM5320STByk765PZBpMEM71m3j9V7aGu9Y+cPIttPoSgg/NgSOAnqC qciep/3iB3AER8v49qPvX21REqMsxUMlYyegb2Y= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJxS/vaebEQQcUQgnLvWl6lpYqZ/JcZas9SsjuU3YbVLxVnDKCkAQx6UlpwlLlBz9GVjTtCMdvKSX9eKQaE/qTg= X-Received: by 2002:a2e:8e78:: with SMTP id t24mr1876777ljk.314.1592327350789; Tue, 16 Jun 2020 10:09:10 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <5443710B-05DB-4C4D-AC4B-0D8D173E131B@mit.edu> <1B439ED3-E7DF-49B2-A064-4CB5CC3147A0@mit.edu> In-Reply-To: <1B439ED3-E7DF-49B2-A064-4CB5CC3147A0@mit.edu> From: Dick Hardt Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2020 10:08:44 -0700 Message-ID: To: Justin Richer Cc: Mike Jones , "vittorio.bertocci@auth0.com" , Peter Saint-Andre , Fabien Imbault , Jared Jennings , Amanjeev Sethi , "txauth@ietf.org" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000001c339905a8369a5c" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Txauth] GNAP it is X-BeenThere: txauth@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2020 17:09:18 -0000 --0000000000001c339905a8369a5c Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable It seems strange that you now call addressing the concerns you raised "silly". While there is no confusion in written communication with GNAP, there clearly will be in verbal communication. Starting off with a suggested pronunciation looks to me to nip a significant amount of the confusion in the bud. We can deal with it now, or deal with it later, or it can be a source of confusion and communication friction forever. Why not just pick one pronunciation and move on? On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 7:42 AM Justin Richer wrote: > I don=E2=80=99t believe we should add a proposed pronunciation to the cha= rter. It > seems silly to focus on this so much. > > =E2=80=94 Justin > > On Jun 15, 2020, at 6:14 PM, Dick Hardt wrote: > > I agree we should be prepared for both. Can we agree that we can be > consistent? Personally I don't care which we choose -- I only care that w= e > choose one. > > I was working to address the concern that you (Justin) had brought up: > > This is ok, but it has a couple downsides. The pronunciation of a hard > =E2=80=9Cg=E2=80=9D or not is going to potentially be confusing, as is th= e fact that it > looks like it=E2=80=99s part of the GNU project because of that. > > > > On Mon, Jun 15, 2020 at 1:56 PM Justin Richer wrote: > >> I agree with Mike, in that we should get used to answering to both. >> >> In my head, it reads with a hard =E2=80=9CG=E2=80=9D, at least partially= because of the >> Smurfs video=E2=80=99s legacy. >> >> =E2=80=94 Justin >> >> On Jun 15, 2020, at 3:38 PM, Mike Jones < >> Michael.Jones=3D40microsoft.com@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote: >> >> I don=E2=80=99t care a lot one way or the other. My main point is that = no matter >> what guidance we give, many people are likely to pronounce the =E2=80=9C= G=E2=80=9D. If we >> try to insist on it being silent, we should get used to the fact that we= =E2=80=99ll >> probably be hearing both pronunciations. >> >> -- Mike >> >> P.S. Thanks for the Smurfs link, Vittorio! >> >> *From:* vittorio.bertocci@auth0.com >> *Sent:* Monday, June 15, 2020 12:25 PM >> *To:* 'Dick Hardt' ; 'Peter Saint-Andre' < >> stpeter@mozilla.com> >> *Cc:* Mike Jones ; 'Jared Jennings' < >> jaredljennings@gmail.com>; 'Amanjeev Sethi' ; 'Fabien >> Imbault' ; txauth@ietf.org >> *Subject:* RE: [Txauth] GNAP it is >> >> Perhaps not to be taken too seriously, but here=E2=80=99s prior art on G= NAP >> pronunciation. >> As Leif mentioned few mails ago, =E2=80=9CGNAP=E2=80=9D appeared on the = Smurfs comic and >> was reprised in a cartoon episode as well. >> You=E2=80=99ll find few examples around 3:30 >> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DGEl8IBv98vg&feature=3Dyoutu.be&fbclid= =3DIwAR0GVfFeNl4M1OhHKE7FfyCqKTDJI960mU-ai8hLqMO8A_qzCS-WBJgPbpQ >> >> *From:* Txauth *On Behalf Of *Dick Hardt >> *Sent:* Monday, June 15, 2020 12:18 PM >> *To:* Peter Saint-Andre >> *Cc:* Mike Jones ; Jared Jennings < >> jaredljennings@gmail.com>; Amanjeev Sethi ; Fabien >> Imbault ; txauth@ietf.org >> *Subject:* Re: [Txauth] GNAP it is >> >> Checking in again on pronunciation. >> >> Mike: do you still have concerns with a silent 'G'? >> >> Anyone else have concerns? >> >> I'd like to nip pronunciation confusion in the bud by having the >> recommended pronunciation in the charter. >> >> >> =E1=90=A7 >> >> On Sun, Jun 7, 2020 at 1:23 PM Peter Saint-Andre >> wrote: >> >> Looks like we were caught gnapping. ;-) >> >> OK, that's the last of my snarky comments, let's get to work! >> >> Peter >> >> On 6/7/20 2:09 PM, Dick Hardt wrote: >> > It is if you are familiar with any of the GNU projects. >> > >> > https://www.gnu.org/gnu/pronunciation.en.html >> > >> > A quick search on the internet has the "normal" pronunciation of "gnu" >> > to have a silent 'g'. >> > >> > https://www.howtopronounce.com/gnu >> > https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/pronunciation/english/gnu >> > >> > >> > =E1=90=A7 >> > >> > On Sun, Jun 7, 2020 at 12:51 PM Mike Jones > > > wrote: >> > >> > I had assumed Guh-Nap =E2=80=93 parallel to the pronunciation of G= NU. I >> > think that=E2=80=99s the most natural way to read it.____ >> > >> > __ __ >> > >> > -- Mike____ >> > >> > __ __ >> > >> > *From:* Txauth > > > *On Behalf Of *Dick Hardt >> > *Sent:* Sunday, June 7, 2020 12:45 PM >> > *To:* Amanjeev Sethi > >> > *Cc:* Fabien Imbault > > >; Jared Jennings >> > >; >> > txauth@ietf.org >> > *Subject:* Re: [Txauth] GNAP it is____ >> > >> > __ __ >> > >> > Anyone have objection to the recommended pronunciation being the >> > English word "nap", as in "gnaw"?____ >> > >> > __ __ >> > >> > If not, then we could add a pronunciation recommendation to the >> > Charter.____ >> > >> > __ __ >> > >> > =E1=90=A7____ >> > >> > __ __ >> > >> > On Sat, Jun 6, 2020 at 8:03 AM Amanjeev Sethi > > > wrote:____ >> > >> > Vote for 'G' silent, as in 'lagnappe' ;)____ >> > >> > __ __ >> > >> > On Sat, Jun 6, 2020, at 10:52 AM, Jared Jennings wrote:____ >> > >> > I vote for G silent. For the reason it's most common to >> > pronounce, especially for those not familiar with open >> > source usages.____ >> > >> > __ __ >> > >> > On Sat, Jun 6, 2020, 08:45 Dick Hardt > > > wrote:____ >> > >> > The obvious pronunciation choices are:____ >> > >> > __ __ >> > >> > nap (silent g as in gnaw)____ >> > >> > __ __ >> > >> > guh-nap (as in the GNU OS >> > - https://www.gnu.org/gnu/pronunciation.en..html >> > )____ >> > >> > __ __ >> > >> > gee-nap (as in G-man - government man >> > - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G-man)____ >> > >> > __ __ >> > >> > __ __ >> > >> > __ __ >> > >> > =E1=90=A7____ >> > >> > __ __ >> > >> > On Sat, Jun 6, 2020 at 1:34 AM Fabien Imbault >> > > > > wrote:____ >> > >> > So, let's adopt a GNAP! We can even come with a >> > little mascot (a bit like go gopher) as imagined >> > by http://elisegravel.com/blog/adopte-un-gnap/, >> > loved by little Canadians :-) ____ >> > >> > __ __ >> > >> > Just to be sure, how do you recommand we pronounce >> > it? ____ >> > >> > __ __ >> > >> > Looking forward to the next steps too.. ____ >> > >> > __ __ >> > >> > Thxs____ >> > >> > Fabien____ >> > >> > --____ >> > >> > Txauth mailing list____ >> > >> > Txauth@ietf.org ____ >> > >> > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/txauth____ >> > >> > --____ >> > >> > Txauth mailing list____ >> > >> > Txauth@ietf.org ____ >> > >> > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/txauth____ >> > >> > -- ____ >> > >> > Txauth mailing list____ >> > >> > Txauth@ietf.org ____ >> > >> > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/txauth____ >> > >> > __ __ >> > >> > __ __ >> > >> > >> >> -- >> Txauth mailing list >> Txauth@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/txauth >> >> >> > --0000000000001c339905a8369a5c Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
It seems strange that you now call addres= sing the concerns yo= u raised "silly".=C2=A0

While there is n= o confusion in written communication with GNAP, there clearly will be in ve= rbal communication.=C2=A0

Starting off with a sugg= ested pronunciation looks to me to nip a significant amount of the confusio= n in the bud.

We can deal with it now, or deal wit= h it later, or it can be a source of confusion and communication friction f= orever.

Why not just pick one pronunciation and mo= ve on?

On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 7:42 AM Justin Richer <jricher@mit.edu> wrote:
= I don=E2=80=99t believe we should add a proposed pronunciation to the chart= er. It seems silly to focus on this so much.

=C2=A0=E2= =80=94 Justin

On Jun 15, 2020, a= t 6:14 PM, Dick Hardt <dick.hardt@gmail.com> wrote:

I agree we should be prepared for both. Can we agree that= we can be consistent? Personally I don't care which we choose -- I onl= y care that we choose one.

I was working=C2=A0to address the concern that you (Justin) had brought up= :

This is ok, but it = has a couple downsides. The= pronunciation of a hard =E2=80=9Cg=E2=80=9D or not is going to potentially= be confusing, as is the fact that it looks like it=E2=80=99s part of the G= NU project because of that.



On Mon, Jun 15, 2020 at 1:56 PM Justin Richer <jricher@mit.edu> wro= te:
I agree= with Mike, in that we should get used to answering to both.

=
In my head, it reads with a hard =E2=80=9CG=E2=80=9D, at least partial= ly because of the Smurfs video=E2=80=99s legacy.

= =C2=A0=E2=80=94 Justin

On Jun 15= , 2020, at 3:38 PM, Mike Jones <Michael.Jones=3D40microsoft.com= @dmarc.ietf.org> wrote:

I don=E2=80=99t care a lot one way or t= he other.=C2=A0 My main point is that no matter what guidance we give, many= people are likely to pronounce the =E2=80=9CG=E2=80=9D.=C2=A0 If we try to= insist on it being silent, we should get used to the fact that we=E2=80=99= ll probably be hearing both pronunciations.
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P.S.=C2=A0 Thanks for the Smurfs link, Vittorio!
=C2=A0<= /div>
From:=C2=A0vittorio.bertocci@= auth0.com=C2=A0<vi= ttorio.bertocci@auth0.com>=C2=A0
Sent:= =C2=A0Monday, June 15, 2020 12:25 PM
To:=C2=A0'Dick Hardt' <dick.hardt@gmail.co= m>; 'Peter Saint-Andre' <stp= eter@mozilla.com>
Cc:=C2=A0Mike Jones <Michael.Jones@microsoft.com>; '= ;Jared Jennings' <jaredljennings@= gmail.com>; 'Amanjeev Sethi' <aj= @amanjeev.com>; 'Fabien Imbault' <fabien.imbault@gmail.com>;=C2=A0txauth@ietf.org
Subject:=C2=A0RE: = [Txauth] GNAP it is
=C2=A0<= u>
Perhaps not to be taken too seriously, but here=E2=80= =99s prior art on GNAP pronunciation.
As Leif = mentioned few mails ago, =E2=80=9CGNAP=E2=80=9D appeared on the Smurfs comi= c and was reprised in a cartoon episode as well.
You=E2=80=99ll find few examples around 3:30
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DGEl8IBv98vg&feature=3Dyoutu.be&am= p;fbclid=3DIwAR0GVfFeNl4M1OhHKE7FfyCqKTDJI960mU-ai8hLqMO8A_qzCS-WBJgPbpQ
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From:=C2=A0Txauth &= lt;txauth-bounces@ietf.org>= =C2=A0On Behalf Of=C2=A0Dick Hardt
Sent:=C2=A0Monday, June 15, 2020 12:18 PM
To:=C2= =A0Peter Saint-Andre <stpeter@mozill= a.com>
Cc:=C2=A0Mike Jones <Michael.Jones@microsoft.com>; Jared Jennings = <jaredljennings@gmail.com>; Ama= njeev Sethi <aj@amanjeev.com>; Fabien Im= bault <fabien.imbault@gmail.com>= ;;=C2=A0txauth@ietf.org
Sub= ject:=C2=A0Re: [Txauth] GNAP it is
=C2=A0
Checking in again on p= ronunciation.
=C2=A0
<= /div>
Mike: do you still have concerns with a silent 'G&#= 39;?
=C2=A0
Anyone else have concerns?
<= div style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,san= s-serif">=C2=A0
I'd like to nip= pronunciation confusion in the bud by having the recommended pronunciation= =C2=A0in the charter.
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On Sun, Jun 7, 2020 at 1:= 23 PM Peter Saint-Andre <stpeter@mozilla.co= m> wrote:
Looks like = we were caught gnapping. ;-)

OK, that's the last of my snarky co= mments, let's get to work!

Peter

On 6/7/20 2:09 PM, Dick = Hardt wrote:
> It is if you are familiar with any of the GNU projects= .
>=C2=A0
>=C2=A0https://www.gnu.org/gnu/pronunciation.en.html
>=C2=A0
> A quick search on the internet has th= e "normal" pronunciation of "gnu"
> to have a sil= ent 'g'.
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> On Sun, Jun 7, 2020 at 12:51 PM Mike Jones= <Michael.Jones@microsoft.com> <mailto:Michael.Jones@micros= oft.com>> wrote:
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>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0I had assumed Guh-Nap =E2=80=93 parallel to the pronunciation of GNU.= =C2=A0 I
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0think that=E2=80=99s the most natural w= ay to read it.____
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>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0<mailto:txa= uth-bounces@ietf.org>> *On Behalf Of *Dick Hardt
>=C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0*Sent:* Sunday, June 7, 2020 12:45 PM
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0*To:* Amanjeev Sethi <aj@amanjeev.com=C2=A0<mailto:aj@amanjeev.com>= >
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0*Cc:* Fabien Imbault <fabien.imbault@gmail.com
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&g= t;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0*Subject:* Re: [Txauth] GNAP it is____
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>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Anyone have objection to the recommended pro= nunciation=C2=A0being the
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0English word "nap= ", as in "gnaw"?____
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>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0On Sat, Jun 6, 2020 at 8:03 A= M Amanjeev Sethi <aj@amanjeev.com
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>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0Vote for 'G' silent, as in 'lagnappe' ;)____>=C2=A0
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>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0On S= at, Jun 6, 2020, at 10:52 AM, Jared Jennings wrote:____
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>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0source usage= s.____
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