Re: [GNAP] physical person

Tom Jones <thomasclinganjones@gmail.com> Sun, 13 December 2020 22:31 UTC

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From: Tom Jones <thomasclinganjones@gmail.com>
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2020 14:31:14 -0800
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Subject: Re: [GNAP] physical person
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agree w/ Fabien on that point.  My own preference would be to call the RO
an entity, which means a named object.
Peace ..tom


On Sun, Dec 13, 2020 at 12:23 PM Fabien Imbault <fabien.imbault@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Yes.
>
> For end user at least, we wanted to convey that it is a real person.
>
> The case is different for the RO, indeed here person would be enough I
> believe.
>
> Fabien
>
>
> Le dim. 13 déc. 2020 à 21:20, Jim Willeke <jim@willeke.com> a écrit :
>
>> A natural person is usually implied to be a Human Being.
>> As in jurisprudence, fundamental human rights are implicitly granted only
>> to Natural Persons.
>>
>> A person or entity seems to be more appropriate.
>>
>> --
>> -jim
>> Jim Willeke
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Dec 13, 2020 at 1:44 PM Fabien Imbault <fabien.imbault@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Wasn't thinking about that, but yes.
>>> Natural person would be good. I change it in the wiki.
>>>
>>> Thxs
>>> Fabien
>>>
>>> On Sun, Dec 13, 2020 at 7:07 PM Tom Jones <thomasclinganjones@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I dislike this. A robot can be a physical person. What's wrong with
>>>> natural person that others use?
>>>> Peace ..tom
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