From nobody Thu Jan 6 10:42:01 2022 Return-Path: X-Original-To: txauth@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: txauth@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFFC93A147E for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2022 10:41:58 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.398 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.398 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN=0.25, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.25, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id hgxnjPw42O_g for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2022 10:41:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-qv1-f48.google.com (mail-qv1-f48.google.com [209.85.219.48]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CA6003A147C for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2022 10:41:54 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-qv1-f48.google.com with SMTP id r6so3158933qvr.13 for ; Thu, 06 Jan 2022 10:41:54 -0800 (PST) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=aphQrnTBfbSyBULj03p/DHI6t2dcxTnK5pVs8nE50Vk=; b=26ycKMN5G9p+C41jew9AchduD6NP6JaERDgWsoVdg7SvCttEdeBJGVyTd7PzaV17q1 ed9vLn+5MzFrhdhg9/ryWFxbmu8Xgrr4o4pKpK45RqRNAJokCARsu+HImsEdp5H+UZAs oiDl0rX5MHhZAw2G2wBj2LIz6kvVRpEPTcpu8q7U/shieKJXsqmCvxMl1YlWHIoe3IDE fJvKmP3jIIMAP/aE4taUAi4PEol+ab2ee4zhu8djMJAicsU6FpVocpmI6FhOYOE6Rs7f vkJg2jXqtlKOgSzoLZPcm9RH2MGFSHL5JonDLuks340BHyAAtc/6gI3Z4QfUX7/phx4e H7Pg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM533uv+vk7qVNhfEE2ZoIHwrQcCv4D+cQ7qMQvJglIOy4quUZzzd2 NfgLIqenUx2CykIQFOK39wSlrR4w79u+LEeX/9Ioyn3bqb8= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJzZ4SAQd5w7FVX/VkqyRfUKCzIdiJIQsaLZhr8MoT+c6Q/Ds8aQU14W8uxrSiPieOZEj/xMlCYvdGLmFHdZmpc= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6214:2aab:: with SMTP id js11mr54478128qvb.54.1641494513407; Thu, 06 Jan 2022 10:41:53 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <3C82D2BD-EACC-41E0-BE92-9357199412BB@mit.edu> <12ADDD1D-FE53-41E9-A804-E6E1B7FA438C@openconsent.com> <51694089-3131-95af-9e49-e0a284a8ef97@sunet.se> <8b399ee9-ebf8-62c9-140e-83d18c735858@sunet.se> In-Reply-To: <8b399ee9-ebf8-62c9-140e-83d18c735858@sunet.se> From: Adrian Gropper Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2022 13:41:41 -0500 Message-ID: To: Leif Johansson Cc: Mark Lizar , GNAP Mailing List Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000005f5a5905d4ee390f" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [GNAP] Human rights perspective on W3C and IETF protocol interaction X-BeenThere: txauth@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: GNAP List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2022 18:41:59 -0000 --0000000000005f5a5905d4ee390f Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Mark and Leif, I too appreciate Mark's comments and that they were cross-posted to W3C CCG. Having spent close to a decade working with Kanatara on UMA, I am glad to see Mark's intent to collaborate more deeply with GNAP. I'm also quite invested in the W3C CCG and related work because Self Sovereign Identity (SSI) represents a more sophisticated approach to today's identity problems than federation. My immediate challenge is finding implementers interested in putting human rights ahead of short-term funding. My ability to demonstrate decentralization at the community level (and keep federation on the side) requires working libraries and the willingness of the coders to support the example (HIE of One Trustee). The Trustee demonstration benefits from most, if not all, of the features that Mark is describing. It needs to be built with GNAP and community-owned microservices as the core. DIDs and VCs will be an important component because they represent SSI. Blockchains are optional in this version of Trustee. My point is that I'm personally not much interested in adding human rights considerations to either W3C, IETF, or Kantara if there is no group of implementers that are at least willing to provide support for the libraries that can help demonstrate human rights rather than talk about it. Please consider reposting our conversation and this comment to include W3C CCG. Adrian On Thu, Jan 6, 2022 at 12:44 PM Leif Johansson wrote: > On 2022-01-06 17:08, Mark Lizar wrote: > > Thank you Leif for the very valuable direction, I will add this to the > ANCR WG agenda and look forward to reporting back. > > > > Cheers Mark > > Excellent, thx! > > Cheers Leif > > -- > TXAuth mailing list > TXAuth@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/txauth > --0000000000005f5a5905d4ee390f Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Mark and Leif,

I too appreciate Mark= 9;s comments and that they were cross-posted to W3C CCG.=C2=A0
Having spent close to a decade working with Kanatara on UMA, I= am glad to see Mark's intent to collaborate more deeply with GNAP.=C2= =A0

I'm also quite invested in the W3C CCG and= related work because Self Sovereign Identity (SSI) represents a more sophi= sticated approach to today's identity problems than federation.

My immediate challenge is finding implementers interested= in putting human rights ahead of short-term funding. My ability to demonst= rate decentralization at the community level (and keep federation on the si= de) requires working libraries and the willingness of the coders to support= the example (HIE of One Trustee).

The Trustee dem= onstration benefits from most, if not all, of the features that Mark is des= cribing. It needs to be built with GNAP and community-owned microservices a= s the core. DIDs and VCs will be an important component=C2=A0because they r= epresent SSI. Blockchains are optional in this version of Trustee.

My point is that I'm personally not much interested in= adding human rights considerations to either W3C, IETF, or Kantara if ther= e is no group of implementers that are at least willing to provide support = for the libraries that can help demonstrate human rights rather than talk a= bout it.

Please consider reposting our conversatio= n and this comment to include W3C CCG.

Adrian
=C2=A0

On Thu, Jan 6, 2022 at 12:44 PM Leif Johansson <leifj@sunet.se> wrote:
On 2022-01-06 17:08, Mark Lizar wrote:
> Thank you Leif for the very valuable direction, I will add this to the= ANCR WG agenda and look forward to reporting back.
>
> Cheers Mark

Excellent, thx!

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Cheers Leif

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